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Nine Inch Nails Appreciation Thread (pg. 2)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
Sooooo whats the story, they released an album and told people "download it if you want or pay us 5 bucks"? And they ended up making a little over $750,000? |
Yeah.
And there is no 'they', really. Trent is Nine Inch Nails. He made the music act in 1988 and has been the only consistent member. There is just a 'group' of sorts when it comes to live shows as well as collaborations with other artists at times.
And yeah, his newest work came out of ing nowhere. Never have I known an artist to successfully pull this off - there was no "leak" whatsoever, as there was no warning that Ghosts I-IV would be released ing whatsoever. Trent posted it on his website the day he released all of it - a 10-week project he did just a few months ago using mainly instrumental means and incorporating a variety of different tempos; that is to say, Ghosts has breadth, and certainly echoes some of his more prominent as well as musically complex work. There was no advertising campaign to necessarily speak of, as this was a release by him and not by record companies - a move that he has made a name for himself [as though such a thing were truly necessary at this point] by; basically giving the recording industry, an institution notorious for raping artists and ruining their creations as well as waging financial wars against the middle and lower classes of the US in the form of anti-downloading mandate and lawsuits, the middle finger. Trent is an artist above all, and that is a truly abused yet applicable term in this respect; He realizes that he has a great body of work to communicate to people as an artist and that there is a conservativeness within the mass delivery of such a thing for the purpose of nothing but wanton capitalism and that, rather than resist the flows and evolution of technology, it is far better to invest in such an innovation by winning the trust of people who also embrace such a thing. He has been known to frequent isohunt and ThePirateBay as well as many other popular torrent sites, fully realizing that practically instant access to music from anywhere in the world at any point of time is the future. I'm not going to call him an innovator in this respect, but he is certainly leagues ahead of most other self-proclaimed artists in this time of multi-national monopolies over expression.
So yeah, you can download the entire new body of work, Ghosts I-IV, for $5. Order it on 2 CDs for $10. Pay $300 for some LP vinyl copy signed by him, etc... Plenty of options for the release of His album, now that he is independent from contract and the binds of corporations that would control him. And he has openly encouraged people to download the album if it so suits them. This is the future of music, and he's not really seeming to sit by idly like other artists as the medium catches up at a pace meticulously controlled for maximizing profit. With millions of fans all over the world, is $750,000 really that much?
//sup absinthe
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| idoru |
| While I've never really listened to much NIN, the last few weeks have earned Trent a lot of respect from me. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Yeah.
And there is no 'they', really. Trent is Nine Inch Nails. He made the music act in 1988 and has been the only consistent member. There is just a 'group' of sorts when it comes to live shows as well as collaborations with other artists at times.
And yeah, his newest work came out of ing nowhere. Never have I known an artist to successfully pull this off - there was no "leak" whatsoever, as there was no warning that Ghosts I-IV would be released ing whatsoever. Trent posted it on his website the day he released all of it - a 10-week project he did just a few months ago using mainly instrumental means and incorporating a variety of different tempos; that is to say, Ghosts has breadth, and certainly echoes some of his more prominent as well as musically complex work. There was no advertising campaign to necessarily speak of, as this was a release by him and not by record companies - a move that he has made a name for himself [as though such a thing were truly necessary at this point] by; basically giving the recording industry, an institution notorious for raping artists and ruining their creations as well as waging financial wars against the middle and lower classes of the US in the form of anti-downloading mandate and lawsuits, the middle finger. Trent is an artist above all, and that is a truly abused yet applicable term in this respect; He realizes that he has a great body of work to communicate to people as an artist and that there is a conservativeness within the mass delivery of such a thing for the purpose of nothing but wanton capitalism and that, rather than resist the flows and evolution of technology, it is far better to invest in such an innovation by winning the trust of people who also embrace such a thing. He has been known to frequent isohunt and ThePirateBay as well as many other popular torrent sites, fully realizing that practically instant access to music from anywhere in the world at any point of time is the future. I'm not going to call him an innovator in this respect, but he is certainly leagues ahead of most other self-proclaimed artists in this time of multi-national monopolies over expression.
So yeah, you can download the entire new body of work, Ghosts I-IV, for $5. Order it on 2 CDs for $10. Pay $300 for some LP vinyl copy signed by him, etc... Plenty of options for the release of His album, now that he is independent from contract and the binds of corporations that would control him. And he has openly encouraged people to download the album if it so suits them. This is the future of music, and he's not really seeming to sit by idly like other artists as the medium catches up at a pace meticulously controlled for maximizing profit. With millions of fans all over the world, is $750,000 really that much?
//sup absinthe
///In addition,
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what the are you one about? musicians, writers, and artists have been self-publishing, promoting, distributing their own works for eons. i come across them all of the time, in the bargain bin. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
what the are you one about? musicians, writers, and artists have been self-publishing, promoting, distributing their own works for eons. i come across them all of the time, in the bargain bin. |
This is true. However, this is being publicized so much because he's incredibly popular, and rather than using the typical method of musical distribution that someone in his shoes would use, he's going against what is essentially the "norm" in his case. Most people with his level of fame will have a multi-million dollar contract and a few labels to hide behind. Find me other mainstream artists at his level doing the same. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
This is true. However, this is being publicized so much because he's incredibly popular, and rather than using the typical method of musical distribution that someone in his shoes would use, he's going against what is essentially the "norm" in his case. Most people with his level of fame will have a multi-million dollar contract and a few labels to hide behind. Find me other mainstream artists at his level doing the same. |
but for the support from the majors all of these years, he wouldn't get squat recognition for whatever he's releasing, the ungrateful bastard. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
but for the support from the majors all of these years, he wouldn't get squat recognition for whatever he's releasing, the ungrateful bastard. |
That's my only qualm with this. While it works great for those artists who already have mainstream exposure, many artists wont be exposed enough for such a concept to work, financially, without a record label. It's a tough call. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
what the are you one about? musicians, writers, and artists have been self-publishing, promoting, distributing their own works for eons. i come across them all of the time, in the bargain bin. |
Yeah, but, like, Trent has actual talent. A vast majority of musicians who self-publish are ing garbage. Not all, but many, many, many.
Trent knows he could cash in on nothing but his name. That he could sell the hell out *coughRadioheadsmashingpumpkinscough* and just make music that the public would lap up because it is marketed well and because HOLY TRENT REZNOR MADE IT OMG. He is fully aware of what his image implicated. Yet he chooses to remain independent after his years of popularity and make really complex, beautiful music with the intention of trumping recording companies as well as communicating a multitude of ideas to the world; something he has always been apt at doing, and something that many artists are also apt at doing, independent or signed. Trent demonstrates an uncanny degree of self-possession though - a respectable concept that is very much in juxtaposition with his progressive affairs in the realm of industrial and scorned sort of musical style. Simply put: Trent is a mess. He always has been. He is a hopeless romantic and a frigid songwriter with a penchant for penetrating a realm of the human condition gone absurdly ignored by the conceit of a society of happiness. And now he is turning his ability to communicate with others outwards, in an attempt to realize perhaps his own self-possession, if you ask me. That is what sets Trent Reznor apart. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
It's a tough call. |
Tough call for what? Maintaining his image?
He has encouraged people to download his music. For free.
Go get Ghosts I-IV. If you don't like the music, don't buy it. I think it's all ing fantastic, but I'm not going to try to force my musical tastes down your throat, just my general opinion. His music is all that actually matters, in this case. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Tough call for what? Maintaining his image?
He has encouraged people to download his music. For free.
Go get Ghosts I-IV. If you don't like the music, don't buy it. I think it's all ing fantastic, but I'm not going to try to force my musical tastes down your throat, just my general opinion. His music is all that actually matters, in this case. |
Re-read my post. It's a tough call on how this overall concept (not specifically Trent and Ghosts themselves) will pan out in the future. It works, financially, for artists who already have mainstream exposure and are willing to cut away from major labels. It doesn't work for the brand new artist that five people know about (at least I can't see it working). |
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| Cloudburst |
| Appreciation thread? You're all star******s. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Re-read my post. It's a tough call on how this overall concept (not specifically Trent and Ghosts themselves) will pan out in the future. It works, financially, for artists who already have mainstream exposure and are willing to cut away from major labels. It doesn't work for the brand new artist that five people know about (at least I can't see it working). |
No, and I fully realize this. But why does it matter? Why is it important? Trent isn't just riding off his image, if you ask me. I would love Ghosts no less had it come from some obscenely unknown person off of myspace making industrial music out of their parent's basement... I actually know some of those... >.> and it doesn't detract from their style or ability one bit. But music is escapism, pure and simple/ I am saying just enjoy the music before you start to worry about how its marketing campaign will impact the future distribution of music and how corporate fiscal policy will evolve to suit the needs of the people's entertainment. IT'S JUST MUSIC. haha |
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