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Whatīs the main thing about producing? (pg. 3)
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by olwenskatha
i know but you canīt judge what you donīt know i spent about 5 hours a day djing/ producing for the only reason that i like what i do, but cīmon to tell someone off is just something that i would not say for the only reason that this foum is for sharing knowleadge and opinions |
You need a new sarcasm/joke detector. And a thicker skin. |
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| cryophonik |
Man, I'm starting to sound like a broken record (no pun intended) on these forums, but I'll answer this question again. The "main thing about producing" is simple: think about what you're producing. Are you producing a sidechained pad? Are you producing an original synth sound? Are you producing a FLS project file. NO!!!! YOU'RE PRODUCING MUSIC!!!! The sooner you start to comprehend that the primary focus has to be on improving your music composition skills, the sooner you'll start to produce better music.
Unfortunately, that concept is lost on most "producers". But, think about it - nobdody is going to buy your records or dance to your songs because they like the threshold settings you used on your compressor, or the fact that you chose a square wave bass sound over a sawtooth. But looking at this and other EDM production forums, those types of topics dominate the boards. Take a look at this forum's topics for yourself and see how many composition-related threads there are - not many. Is it because we're all such great songwriters that we don't need to discuss it? :rolleyes:
The next time you're at the club and the crowd is going wild for some song, stop and ask the hot chick dancing next to you what she likes about the song - I guarantee you that the answer won't be "it's produced in Logic!" or "the pulse width modulation on that lead synth is totally dope!" She's probably going to say "get away from me, creep" and then tazer your ass, unless she's really drunk, in which case she'd simply say that she likes the melody, she can sing along with it, it's got a good beat and I can dance to it, etc.
It's a total cliche, but it can't be stated enough - you can't polish a turd (well, OK, you can try but it's still going to stink). It doesn't matter what synth(s) or DAW you use, how perfectly you can imitate that JP8000 supersaw with your Virus, how you EQ'ed your mid-bass, or which multiband compressor you use to master your tracks - if your melody sucks and your song is 7 minutes of Amin and Fmaj, your song is going to suck and all you'll have is another polished turd that nobody is going to buy or dance to. Yes, your song needs to be technically sound, but more importantly, it needs to have a solid musical foundation (e.g., good melody or hook, dynamics, arrangement, etc.). That's what separates the successful producer from the masses.
OK, enough preaching. I've got music to make. :D |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
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Very true what you said there. A lot of people here need to start thinking about the big picture, not every single individual sound. |
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| olwenskatha |
| yeahh i guess heīs right im going to focus on that one, but mostly what i do, is just send the demos to people that just go to the clubs, that is the most important opinion for me cause theses are the people that are going to listen to it at the end, so yeah lol but anyway could you imagine asking that to a girl, and suddenly she turns around and say, man i wonder what synths he use to produce that sound?? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | | Originally posted by cryophonik |
Some good points in there.
It seems like people focus so much on "sounding professional" these days, even to the point that they pay less attention to the song itself than to whether it "sounds like" what their favorite producers make or what their favorite DJs spin. |
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| derail |
I put up a sign in my studio, back when I found myself falling into this trap. It says "Beautiful music first. Then incredible production". The music is the main thing. Without it, there's no point, it just turns into a technical exercise which no lover of music will want to listen to.
The great songs still sound great as blippy MIDI files. |
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| olwenskatha |
| the way im starting to look at it is just focus on what i feel, when im producing is kind off like when im djing but i just have to imagine im in a big club, and feel if this song would be playing will people dance to it? i donīt know i guess is part of all but you have to develop your skills if you feel you are talented enough :D |
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| BOOsTER |
| quote: | Originally posted by olwenskatha
Dude honestly with this attitude you donīt get anywhere really, i just want to know the other people opinion, donīt forget you were a noob to a while ago :cool: |
honestly...he still is! :D |
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| olwenskatha |
| loooool well i donīt know but if you tell..... just kidding im glad to know what others people think about it |
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| StanVoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Man, I'm starting to sound like a broken record (no pun intended) on these forums, but I'll answer this question again. The "main thing about producing" is simple: think about what you're producing. Are you producing a sidechained pad? Are you producing an original synth sound? Are you producing a FLS project file. NO!!!! YOU'RE PRODUCING MUSIC!!!! The sooner you start to comprehend that the primary focus has to be on improving your music composition skills, the sooner you'll start to produce better music.
Unfortunately, that concept is lost on most "producers". But, think about it - nobdody is going to buy your records or dance to your songs because they like the threshold settings you used on your compressor, or the fact that you chose a square wave bass sound over a sawtooth. But looking at this and other EDM production forums, those types of topics dominate the boards. Take a look at this forum's topics for yourself and see how many composition-related threads there are - not many. Is it because we're all such great songwriters that we don't need to discuss it? :rolleyes:
The next time you're at the club and the crowd is going wild for some song, stop and ask the hot chick dancing next to you what she likes about the song - I guarantee you that the answer won't be "it's produced in Logic!" or "the pulse width modulation on that lead synth is totally dope!" She's probably going to say "get away from me, creep" and then tazer your ass, unless she's really drunk, in which case she'd simply say that she likes the melody, she can sing along with it, it's got a good beat and I can dance to it, etc.
It's a total cliche, but it can't be stated enough - you can't polish a turd (well, OK, you can try but it's still going to stink). It doesn't matter what synth(s) or DAW you use, how perfectly you can imitate that JP8000 supersaw with your Virus, how you EQ'ed your mid-bass, or which multiband compressor you use to master your tracks - if your melody sucks and your song is 7 minutes of Amin and Fmaj, your song is going to suck and all you'll have is another polished turd that nobody is going to buy or dance to. Yes, your song needs to be technically sound, but more importantly, it needs to have a solid musical foundation (e.g., good melody or hook, dynamics, arrangement, etc.). That's what separates the successful producer from the masses.
OK, enough preaching. I've got music to make. :D |
i'd say you're about 70% right, but the little tweaks / compression techniques / synth choices do matter for the final effectiveness of the track. While the hot chick at the club may not know anything about that and can tell you that it's the melody she likes, that doesn't mean that she'd be dancing the same way to the same melody played on a crap synth in a crap-mastered track. It's the whole concept of the common listener - they can all point out the main things about songs that they like, but there's actually a lot more to the song that they like which they don't even realize. Given that - I still agree that composition / arrangement / and songwriting skills are the #1 priority for anyone making music. But that doesn't mean there isn't a #2 priority for all the technical studio stuff. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by StanVoid
i'd say you're about 70% right,...I still agree that composition / arrangement / and songwriting skills are the #1 priority for anyone making music. But that doesn't mean there isn't a #2 priority for all the technical studio stuff. |
Yeah, but I acknowledged that, see:
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Yes, your song needs to be technically sound, but more importantly, it needs to have a solid musical foundation... |
So, doesn't that make me 100% right? :tongue2 |
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