|
Using Phase/Flangers for space
|
View this Thread in Original format
| Lunar Phase 7 |
| Recently I have been experimenting on using phasers and things such as basslines to give them space in the mix, just been messing with settings really and seeing what sounds good, as phasers and flangers are not my strong point. Just wondering if anyone else does this and if so and tips or advice on phase/flanging? |
|
|
| cybernetica |
| As nice as phaser/flanger can sound on basslines, you have to be very careful with them on the low end of your track as they often mess it up. I usually keep the low frequencies pretty much untouched and dead center, and apply (stereo) effects like phaser, flanger, chorus, delay, reverb only on the higher frequencies of my bassline (starting at say maybe 200Hz). You can do this pretty well using send FX with a highpass filter and your effects afterwards on the send channel. |
|
|
| Lunar Phase 7 |
Sends are something I have no idea about any tips for using send in fruity loops?
I've literally never touched them at all. |
|
|
| DJMiakoda |
| quote: | Originally posted by cybernetica
As nice as phaser/flanger can sound on basslines, you have to be very careful with them on the low end of your track as they often mess it up. I usually keep the low frequencies pretty much untouched and dead center, and apply (stereo) effects like phaser, flanger, chorus, delay, reverb only on the higher frequencies of my bassline (starting at say maybe 200Hz). You can do this pretty well using send FX with a highpass filter and your effects afterwards on the send channel. |
sounds like good advice, I'll have to try this.
I've been playing with flangers on my basslines for a while now, I like the way it colors the sound but like you said it can really mess things up on the lower end. |
|
|
| palm |
| i use all efex avaliable, just make sure to put a compressor, maximizer after so the levels dont get wild, if/when u hit the resonance freq of the sound ur using the levels gonna be too loud and a compressor will fix that. also u should mono most info below 50-60-70hZ as it would sound weird in a club if not. thats what i think atleast. |
|
|
| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
Sends are something I have no idea about any tips for using send in fruity loops?
I've literally never touched them at all. |
You can also duplicate your channel and then use EQ to separate them. Cut the highs on you main and centred bass, and cut the lows on the one where you will be adding the FX.
This puts more of a strain on your system though so sends are often a good idea. |
|
|
| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
You can also duplicate your channel and then use EQ to separate them. |
yep, but then LFOs or other nuances of the synth won't be identical. personally, i would use a crossover filter and a pre-fx send, something like this:
instrument --> crossover (cutting freq > 200hz) --> master
|--> 100% send --> crossover (cutting freq < 200hz) --> flanger/whatever --> master |
|
|
| Fledz |
| They will if all of them are on that exact channel. At least in Ableton they will :) |
|
|
| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
They will if all of them are on that exact channel. At least in Ableton they will :) |
if you have two instances of a synth, any non-tempo synced events will not be uniform between them. eg. non-tempo synced LFOs. this is important in wavetable synths or synths which attempt to sound more analog by having oscillator drift etc. obviously both instances won't drift in synchronisation, so you would get better results using a send off one instance. besides, whats the point in using double the cpu when using a send is no more difficult? doesn't make sense man! |
|
|
| derail |
Yes, phasers and choruses can give basses nice width and so on, but as stated above, make sure you're not treating the whole bass spectrum. Otherwise, if people are in clubs trying to dance to your track, they'll be like "where'd the bass go? Oh, here it comes again...oh man, that's too much bass...oh, wait...it went away again...let's go to another club..."
Ways to approach it would be to have two bass layers, either playing exactly the same thing or different things, and only process/widen the sound which has the low frequencies removed.
Or use a send channel, with an eq/filter placed after the phaser/chorus effect to remove the low frequencies. That way you can send some of the bass channel's signal into the phaser channel and it won't affect the low end. |
|
|
| d_Verge |
| Maybe Basslane could be useful for desired effect. |
|
|
| Lunar Phase 7 |
Very interesting!
Thanks mate!
:D |
|
|
|
|
