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| Clinkz913 |
I've been ripping a few songs onto MP3 from vinyl and it seems like no matter how hard I try to beatmatch tracks , they don't come out right on my CDJs. how can I fix this? I'm using my regular turntable and recording /w audacity and burning with nero. they'll match for 1-3 secs then get off. I have an M-audio USB interface set @ 128 Latency. any higher the s up the playback on audacity.
if anybody knows , why does my recording also goes crazy nuts and fast forwards? it ruins everything when does happening. (playback is like super high n fast).
using the M-audio mobile preusb |
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| AnomalyConcept |
The 'recording going crazy nuts and fast forwarding' may be due to the sample rate going nuts in Audacity or wherever it's occurring.
As for the beatmatching issue, it's probably due to your turntable not providing a constant angular velocity when recording or variances in the vinyl. This is pretty much a given with vinyl, and you should just ride the pitch (or the jog wheel or whatever you choose). It could also be that your beatmatching isn't as perfect as you think it is, which is exacerbated by the varying BPM of the vinyl rip.
You could always attempt to quantize the tempo of the recorded wav, but I don't know if there's an easy way for Audacity to do that. All I can think of is to import it into Ableton and manually warp the track and re-export. |
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| Clinkz913 |
| quote: | Originally posted by AnomalyConcept
The 'recording going crazy nuts and fast forwarding' may be due to the sample rate going nuts in Audacity or wherever it's occurring.
As for the beatmatching issue, it's probably due to your turntable not providing a constant angular velocity when recording or variances in the vinyl. This is pretty much a given with vinyl, and you should just ride the pitch (or the jog wheel or whatever you choose). It could also be that your beatmatching isn't as perfect as you think it is, which is exacerbated by the varying BPM of the vinyl rip.
You could always attempt to quantize the tempo of the recorded wav, but I don't know if there's an easy way for Audacity to do that. All I can think of is to import it into Ableton and manually warp the track and re-export. |
interesting. my beatmatching is spot on. It's the recording. Can the later be done using soundforge? other than that, would buyign those digital USB turntables be any different than what I'm doing now? |
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| skip |
how does the recording sound like?
i'm thinking this could be a problem with your turntable or a sample rate problem, just like AnomalyConcept suggested.
and most of those usb turntables are pieces of . if you have good turntable now with a good needle and a good pre-amp (in your mixer or separate) i wouldn't bother getting an usb turntable. it's just a normal TT with an integrated pre-amp and an integrated sound card, which won't be very good if it doesn't cost much. |
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| Clinkz913 |
| quote: | Originally posted by skip
how does the recording sound like?
i'm thinking this could be a problem with your turntable or a sample rate problem, just like AnomalyConcept suggested.
and most of those usb turntables are pieces of . if you have good turntable now with a good needle and a good pre-amp (in your mixer or separate) i wouldn't bother getting an usb turntable. it's just a normal TT with an integrated pre-amp and an integrated sound card, which won't be very good if it doesn't cost much. |
i've got a stanton T.150 /w nightclubs. what recording software do you use? it may just be audacity. |
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| skip |
i use audacity too and haven't had any problems recording my vinyls.
what kind of audio quality settings do you use in audacity? also what do the recordings sound like? do they sound like they're pitching up or down or skipping or something like that? |
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| abletonlive05 |
as far as why your tracks are recording at high speed you might have high speed dubbing on (if that feature is there) but if you have it on and the source is not playing that fast then there are problems.
once you extract the problem for why your songs are not recording at the right speed. you will notice that on alot of newer produced records there is a varience intime that ever so gradually increases thus making your records play slightly slower, this is because people are using diffrent methods for production in my opinion. back in the day you could lock to records for the most part and let them stay that way. nowdays there is always some increase or decrease in the amount of time between beats. if you import a track into ableton for example it will add little markers to the song that either speedup or slow down the portions inbetween. this is because the original production was not syncronised properly. also if you have loops in certain programs and drag them out over long time lengths it will somewhat slander from the original loop. I have never used a 909 or something of that nature I would assume they maintain relative or exact measurements of sound samples.
listen to alot of new tracks these days sometime the melody will be slightly offbeat from the actual drums. dont know why
i used to have some stanton str8-100s wich are turntables with all kinds of digital features and to me the best turntables ever made. because of the amount of thrust incorporated in the drive of the turntable and it also has a slightly more common feature on turntables and it is called a PITCH BEND
pitch bend is nice because you can ride the heck out of it and maintain the exact timing of the two records or in your case cds. the magnificence of it is it does it in small enough increments that if your not sure to turn it down or turn it up then you can correct your self without losing too much time or destroying the transition, most people would not even notice. try using the pitch bend instead of adjusting the platter on your cdj.
I use ableton personally and can do alot more then any pair of turntables can do related to mixing. |
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| Clinkz913 |
| quote: | Originally posted by skip
i use audacity too and haven't had any problems recording my vinyls.
what kind of audio quality settings do you use in audacity? also what do the recordings sound like? do they sound like they're pitching up or down or skipping or something like that? |
yea they are pitching up and down throughout the playback. I can't beatmatch the track. they will match for a few bars and then get off the mark. The sample rate is 44100. Default sample-float 32 bit. Fast sync Interpolation and high quality interpolation. |
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| Clinkz913 |
| quote: | Originally posted by abletonlive05
as far as why your tracks are recording at high speed you might have high speed dubbing on (if that feature is there) but if you have it on and the source is not playing that fast then there are problems.
once you extract the problem for why your songs are not recording at the right speed. you will notice that on alot of newer produced records there is a varience intime that ever so gradually increases thus making your records play slightly slower, this is because people are using diffrent methods for production in my opinion. back in the day you could lock to records for the most part and let them stay that way. nowdays there is always some increase or decrease in the amount of time between beats. if you import a track into ableton for example it will add little markers to the song that either speedup or slow down the portions inbetween. this is because the original production was not syncronised properly. also if you have loops in certain programs and drag them out over long time lengths it will somewhat slander from the original loop. I have never used a 909 or something of that nature I would assume they maintain relative or exact measurements of sound samples.
listen to alot of new tracks these days sometime the melody will be slightly offbeat from the actual drums. dont know why
i used to have some stanton str8-100s wich are turntables with all kinds of digital features and to me the best turntables ever made. because of the amount of thrust incorporated in the drive of the turntable and it also has a slightly more common feature on turntables and it is called a PITCH BEND
pitch bend is nice because you can ride the heck out of it and maintain the exact timing of the two records or in your case cds. the magnificence of it is it does it in small enough increments that if your not sure to turn it down or turn it up then you can correct your self without losing too much time or destroying the transition, most people would not even notice. try using the pitch bend instead of adjusting the platter on your cdj.
I use ableton personally and can do alot more then any pair of turntables can do related to mixing. |
interesting. the pitch bend works pretty nice. I'm use to mixing in vinyl mode. but I don't mind using CD mode here and there. I would really like to get down to the main issue of this though. When I listen to my mixes, I can spot the mixing and transitions aren't so clear. uncompressed format...I just changed it to 32 bit float microsoft , just to see what will happen. |
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| Clinkz913 |
| I just adjusted the pitch on my deck a few CM ...and it has a made a world of a difference. either that or the change I did in audacity made the difference. I changed the uncompressed WAV export format to microsoft 32 bit. |
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