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Decline of the value of the DJ? (pg. 2)
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| DaveG |
| Interesting thread to read, by someone who really doesn't know anything about this. One of my buddies asked everyone to come to a place he was going to be at, and let us know that he only gets $2 a head that he brings in. Only way he gets paid there. Is that common for them to pay you a small amount like that for each person you bring in? |
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| richg101 |
since the popularity of cdj's has got bigger - allowing sites like beatport to grow, the non superstar dj has lost his edge. lots of young blood buying the beatport top ten can easily steal sets from people who have been able to earn money thanks to having a knack at hunting a tune in the record store. Now any kid can search a sasha tracklist and they know they can play every tune and sound like they have been doing it for as long as sasha has.
now, it is all about the music you make and the name you build for yourself from your productions. this has meant we are now not only flooded by copycat dj's, but also more copycat musicians than ever before. the flood is mostly made up of warez using kids with not enough musical experience to come up with their own sound. and more and more are polishing and tuning tracks to perfection when really they should be making stuff with a bit of soul. the whole situation is annoying and i cant wait till the hangers on lose interest and make room for the 0.05% of people with real passion for what they do. |
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| Jarvmeister |
| quote: | Originally posted by richg101
.......i cant wait till the hangers on lose interest and make room for the 0.05% of people with real passion for what they do. |
Ahh! A CDJ800 user per chance?!??! |
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| Rippey64 |
| quote: | Originally posted by richg101
since the popularity of cdj's has got bigger - allowing sites like beatport to grow, the non superstar dj has lost his edge. lots of young blood buying the beatport top ten can easily steal sets from people who have been able to earn money thanks to having a knack at hunting a tune in the record store. Now any kid can search a sasha tracklist and they know they can play every tune and sound like they have been doing it for as long as sasha has.
now, it is all about the music you make and the name you build for yourself from your productions. this has meant we are now not only flooded by copycat dj's, but also more copycat musicians than ever before. the flood is mostly made up of warez using kids with not enough musical experience to come up with their own sound. and more and more are polishing and tuning tracks to perfection when really they should be making stuff with a bit of soul. the whole situation is annoying and i cant wait till the hangers on lose interest and make room for the 0.05% of people with real passion for what they do. |
i don't publish my tracklist and there is still people asking for song i'm playing, if you don't have your own personal style, you can't do nothing except in top 50 club (most of top 50 song are house in france).
thanks to beatport, that's a fantastic database for music, everytime i find an artist i don't know, i look for song he did and remixer which remix his song and etc. i found some nice unknow track doing that. |
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| Ipooptoomuch |
it's in dj Networx 35 cd 2 LALALA HARDSTYLE OWNS
"if you're not in it for the love of the music, would you please OFF"
LALALAL DJ NETWORX |
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| J:\Digital |
^^ Would you please OFF!
Your annoying |
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| adx |
Im no professional and never played at any club, but I have numerous friends that do. 2 are residents at 2 big clubs in Denver.
Numerous nights they were "forced" to play for free. Resident rules or whatnot. When they got paid, it was always a bit less than "estimated". Even at big venues, they never seen much dough. They bring in quite a crowd (our family and friends alone, around 20) each time. Its disappointing..
Its growing with too many underdeveloped monkies, capable of slamming tracks in. They get booked because they have some special cross breed of genre, that involves Rap/R&B and Trance/House. Eww..
I rarely go out anymore.. get disappointed spending $20 (usually $15 cover, $4 a beer. Thats right, just one), and seeing the same old crap. Sorry, but I cant support the Club over the DJ. |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
Regular business strategies and supply & demand rules can't really be applied logically to the DJ set up. Every DJ has a different level they are trying to reach.
I believe there is a big difference in expectation between a professional DJ trying to earn a living by playing out each weekend, and a hobbyist, who supports his musical/dj lifestyle with a real job. The issue is that technology and accessibility means the gap between these 2 types of DJ is now so much less than before.
As an irregular DJ, playing only for the love of the party & the music, I would never in a million years think that i was entitled to a pay check at the end of the set. On the other hand, the same space could be filled in the lineup by a semi-professional/professional DJ who would ask for a price.
I think its fair (without any name, or real intention to develop a professional career) that i simply ask the promoter for some travel expenses if the gig is far enough away that i can't get there myself.
That may irk professional DJs who could play the same party but collect a fee, but certainly, from a promoter point of view, if the same people turn up, regardless of which Dj they choose to book, isn't in their best interest to pick the guy for less cost / hassle.
It's probably a different situation around here, as in Slovakia, i don't think we even have a professional DJ on the EDM circuit. Maybe on the disco/commercial level, but certainly not for EDM. A couple of successful DJs combine promoting their own nights to make profit.
In that case, i don't see any harm from participating on an amateur level in the same scene. Especially when my expectation level is on of the hobbyist, rather than anything beyond my capacity. |
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| Matt Es |
im in los angeles CA, and every kid that gets a setup calls himself a dj, i know kids here that dont have any knowledge but the fact that they have a setup makes them think they're djs.
i have been djing for 2 years, and i even started learning to beatmatch before i got my equipment. i have almost no work now because there are newer guys charging close to nothing and taking all the buisness. i havent had a party in 2 months...
its horrible, |
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| ZeJayMan |
Swap places with one of your dj friends abroad. Switch round club nights with other DJs.
Find someone spinning a different night of the week from you and promote their sets then in turn have them promote your sets.
Get in touch with booze companies, smaller ones preferably, get them to send you out a few crates of booze in turn for you selling it and them paying for putting out flyers with your name on the banners andf the night you're doing. Then offer everyone a free drink of said booze on entry.
Get the girls down to the club and you are sorted. Know an army of hot tarts. :wtf:
Don't get ripped off. If you're at a well known club you should write up a contract beforehand. In some extremes, you can get yourself an agent. They will take some of your money but you'll get a lot more gigs. |
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| T-Soma |
Get a bunch of friends together who are DJs,
Get all your sound systems together,
Find an empty warehouse,
Invite everyone you know,
Party!
It sure is a growing epidemic,
now because of Ableton (I personally love the program, got myself a copy of live 7 for student price just recently :D )
People who have no idea about what a c major is and no idea about what a synthesiser is are calling them selves producers because they figured out how to overlay two tracks in a program that is a sequencer! :whip: |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | Originally posted by richg101
since the popularity of cdj's has got bigger - allowing sites like beatport to grow, the non superstar dj has lost his edge. lots of young blood buying the beatport top ten can easily steal sets from people who have been able to earn money thanks to having a knack at hunting a tune in the record store. Now any kid can search a sasha tracklist and they know they can play every tune and sound like they have been doing it for as long as sasha has.
now, it is all about the music you make and the name you build for yourself from your productions. this has meant we are now not only flooded by copycat dj's, but also more copycat musicians than ever before. the flood is mostly made up of warez using kids with not enough musical experience to come up with their own sound. and more and more are polishing and tuning tracks to perfection when really they should be making stuff with a bit of soul. the whole situation is annoying and i cant wait till the hangers on lose interest and make room for the 0.05% of people with real passion for what they do. |
I disagree.
You can't polish a turd no matter how hard you try. The kids copying/pasting Sasha's playlist into the Beatport search today are the same ones who did it at Juno, or deejay.de, or their local record store yesterday.
I'm of the opinion that the more you have in a pile, the more the true gems will stand out.
The same can be said about bedroom producers these days. It's always been the job of the DJ to sift through the to find the great tunes, and that's no different today than it was 20 years ago. I'm not concerned about the other DJ armed with the latest Beatport top 10 becuase I know my collection is far greater. |
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