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| neo geo |
| Once I'm finished with my degree here in the states I'm going to be moving to Florence, Italy for gemology school. If I'm lucky and can find a job in Italy, or anywhere else in Europe, then I'm going to stay. Europe gets more vacation time, free medical care, and a society that is not totally ing nuts like ours. How do you become a citizen or be allowed to stay and work in another country. I would love to live in Siena for a while. I love that city. |
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| heathen |
| your favourite gem? |
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| neo geo |
| The Yogo sapphire. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by neo geo
Once I'm finished with my degree here in the states I'm going to be moving to Florence, Italy for gemology school. If I'm lucky and can find a job in Italy, or anywhere else in Europe, then I'm going to stay. Europe gets more vacation time, free medical care, and a society that is not totally ing nuts like ours. How do you become a citizen or be allowed to stay and work in another country. I would love to live in Siena for a while. I love that city. |
well first you must get permanent residency. you will going over on a student visa which doesnt allow for permanent residency. 6 months after school ends you must leave the country. there are ways to skirt around it and apply for permanent residency before your student visa runs out though.
ps: health care is not free there. ;) |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yes it works. but its expensive for the state and often the government don't do enough to maintain the system (or so some argue). |
Its probably due for some kind of review sooner than later as at the moment it's suffering from a number of maladies like staffing shortages and nibbling away at the fringe service areas which can be important.
But, if you've got no private health cover, then while it may be slow (and by slow I mean snails pace!) it covers most things. I've always had private health cover, mostly for choice of doctor, private hospital and being bumped up the list, after my knee surgeries a few years ago it paid for itself a few times over. Plus elective surgery is much easier on the wallet.
| quote: | | its certainly way ing better than the system in the US that's for sure. |
The price of basic pharmaceuticals is ridiculous, that and a lot of yanks seem to be balling along on any number of prescriptions they've been given. Just an observation while I was there that most of them tend to be completely unnecessary as well. |
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| Dieselboy_1206 |
I am personally a free market kind of guy. I am totally against socialized medicine because I just don't think it will work, but I think what we have now is almost worse.
In my view we should treat health care the same way we treat car insurance. We buy our own plans and let the free market decide the cost. If the companies had to compete then they would compete off cost and services they would allow. And I think you would see a dramatic change.
As the system is now, once a corporation is locked into one provider, it is too costly to switch so the provider companies don't have to compete and they can tell doctors what kind of care to provide. Competition has worked in other industries, and with a lot more competition and a little more government oversight, I still see a free market solution to this.
We will all end up paying for it in the end, but I just feel that it shouldn't be the burden of the tax payers, but the individual for their own health care. |
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| Dieselboy_1206 |
| quote: | Originally posted by neo geo
Once I'm finished with my degree here in the states I'm going to be moving to Florence, Italy for gemology school. If I'm lucky and can find a job in Italy, or anywhere else in Europe, then I'm going to stay. Europe gets more vacation time, free medical care, and a society that is not totally ing nuts like ours. How do you become a citizen or be allowed to stay and work in another country. I would love to live in Siena for a while. I love that city. |
I don't think it is fair to characterize socialized health care as free. The people who pay taxes pay for it. Just because it is taken out of your pay before you see it, doesn't mean the money wasn't there in the first place. |
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| Beat Blog |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdat
I have a 1300 eur/month medication bill ... |
1300 euro per MONTH?
What, you got teh AIDS or something?
Yep, you've got teh AIDS. |
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| Lilith |
| Organ transplant/process of one. |
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| CranberryJuice |
| quote: | Originally posted by neo geo
Once I'm finished with my degree here in the states I'm going to be moving to Florence, Italy for gemology school. If I'm lucky and can find a job in Italy, or anywhere else in Europe, then I'm going to stay. Europe gets more vacation time, free medical care, and a society that is not totally ing nuts like ours. How do you become a citizen or be allowed to stay and work in another country. I would love to live in Siena for a while. I love that city. |
Italy is a bit ed up atm :p :p :p
i think tonite we gonna assist to the return of berlusconi
should we laugh or ....cry?:nervous:
this situation is just insane seems like |
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| Abercrombie |
In Canada, we have such lax immigration policies and right of dual citizenship, we get so many new "Convenience Canadians" so they can get free medicare when they can't get it in their own country...
...and I pay their bill as a taxpayer.
So US should keep it as it is, and the PEOPLE should simply get responsible and BUY the health insurance on their own, even at a grand or two a year. Why? Because as Canadians we end up paying that much into our taxes anyways, it's just taken off our paycheck. |
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