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Breakbeat is it a genre? (pg. 2)
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Genre-policeee!
Metal is a genre not a sub-genre. Divided into more subgenres such as "heavy", "power","progressive", "thrash", "black", "death", "gothic", "doom", "new" etc. at times, they are completely opossite to each other (musically, ideologically etc.). |
just like there is prog house, deep house, and tribal house....
I call them styles.:D |
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| julien2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
There's the big-beat crew: early Chems, Fatboy, Crystal Method, Lunatic Calm, Propellerheads etc.
Trip hop and so forth: Massive Attack, Portishead, Shadow, Coldcut, Nightmares On Wax etc.
And then the likes of the Freestylers, Hyper and Plump DJs who just seem to be generally "breaks".
I'm not sure about prog breaks... that to me seems to more about the prog and less about the breaks, but that begs the question of whether we should be considering "progressive" a genre all of its own. Acts like Hybrid have me scratching my head, because they have nothing to do with hip-hop and yet they can't really be sourced in house or trance either. I suppose they get called "breaks" simply because there's nowhere better to put them, but I'd be inclined to call progressive breaks an offshoot of progressive- and leave the house/trance distinction up in the air.
I'm sorry, but I just don't swallow that. You just can't sell Kraftwerk to me as a breaks act.
I start at hip-hop because for me the idea of the breakbeat begins around the core trick that start hip-hop: looping the drum break. Electro was going before then, hip-hop merely decided to use electro breaks as well as funk breaks and so forth. |
than you need to listen to some more kraftwerk.
at the beginning, the breakbeat is simply literally that: a break in the track where the drummer does a solo. that's what the amen break was.
After a certain of time, when the rythm (breakbeat) became the main idea of a track, tracks began to be "breakbeat" tracks. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by julien2
than you need to listen to some more kraftwerk. |
Is there actually any argument behind this statement?
| quote: | at the beginning, the breakbeat is simply literally that: a break in the track where the drummer does a solo. that's what the amen break was.
After a certain of time, when the rythm (breakbeat) became the main idea of a track, tracks began to be "breakbeat" tracks. |
I know exactly what a breakbeat is, where the concept comes from and how it evolved. Oh, and I know all, all about the Amen Break. I've seen Nate Harrison's documentary too, thanks.
Now... unless you're going to tell me that we should be calling James Brown a breaks act, give me an actual argument. |
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| julien2 |
haha ok
when i read again i dont make a whole lot of sense... |
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| julien2 |
lol @ james brown reference
anyways, we should all be grateful that James Brown even existed
rip |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
just like there is prog house, deep house, and tribal house....
I call them styles.:D |
hmmm fair enough, although, a genre is no-more simply a (sub-) genre when the number of artists and the variability of music exceeds a certain point. I thing this is the case with metal. I mean the difference between classic heavy-metal Metallica and the norwegian black-metal band Emperor is not simply like a difference netween "deep-house" and "prog-house". The music is completely different and so are the people that listen to these bands as well. Furthermore, you get "Metal" magazines and channels, you don't get "House" magazines and channels. You could call it "styles", but i'm almost sure that metal with the countless artists and the radically different musical styles is a different and independent genre. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
There's the big-beat crew: early Chems, Fatboy, Crystal Method, Lunatic Calm, Propellerheads etc.
Trip hop and so forth: Massive Attack, Portishead, Shadow, Coldcut, Nightmares On Wax etc.
And then the likes of the Freestylers, Hyper and Plump DJs who just seem to be generally "breaks".
I'm not sure about prog breaks... that to me seems to more about the prog and less about the breaks, but that begs the question of whether we should be considering "progressive" a genre all of its own. Acts like Hybrid have me scratching my head, because they have nothing to do with hip-hop and yet they can't really be sourced in house or trance either. I suppose they get called "breaks" simply because there's nowhere better to put them, but I'd be inclined to call progressive breaks an offshoot of progressive- and leave the house/trance distinction up in the air.
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I think I'd agree with most that and add that the only reason I really even have that idea come to mind is likely because of a friend who introduced me to "breaks" as such. Other than that, Plump DJ's was another example that had come to mind pretty readily as another local jock has had them in his bag for the duration of the time I've known him.
The question of what kinds of things a term like "break" evokes in people is pretty interesting to me solely based on my own experience of hearing so many different definitions. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
hmmm fair enough, although, a genre is no-more simply a (sub-) genre when the number of artists and the variability of music exceeds a certain point. I thing this is the case with metal. I mean the difference between classic heavy-metal Metallica and the norwegian black-metal band Emperor is not simply like a difference netween "deep-house" and "prog-house". The music is completely different and so are the people that listen to these bands as well. Furthermore, you get "Metal" magazines and channels, you don't get "House" magazines and channels. You could call it "styles", but i'm almost sure that metal with the countless artists and the radically different musical styles is a different and independent genre. |
good point, this whole argument is pointless though. |
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| daphunky1 |
I've always wonder this type of question too. Like when I knew I was going out to see breaks DJ that night, I wondered that if a genre is only defined by its beat pattern why did I know the exact type of music I was going to hear. Why couldn't it be anything with a breakbeat? But to me it seems like the genre of breakbeat is one, or atleast a narrow spectrum of sounds and styles.
Sometimes trance tunes have breakbeat breakdown/build ups, which work well, and technically it could work, but a trance crowd does not a broken beat. And when I'm grooving to house music, I don't want house sounds with a broken beat, I want some banging 4 to the floor. |
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| distant |
Sub-styles are created when a good amount of people give a damn enough to push things in a certain direction. I mean, come on, there's about twenty different styles in dubstep alone, which is a fairly new genre. And still I haven't seen anyone pushing for a "scene split", at least not yet...
It's pretty arbitrary how styles are created. Sometimes it's a breakbeat, other times it's a particular sound (like the supersaw). Whatever. It becomes even more arbitrary when there's no longer a scene to associate a certain term with, as in the case of breakbeat/breaks. It's been around for so bloody long, it's diluted and close to meaningless. |
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| Darkarbiter |
| Ofcourse its a subgenre... people get used to a particular element so they change the other elements to adapt and its less like the thing it came from. You could have breakbeat without drums... although it would sound stupid because the rest of the track is designed for that. Just like you can have minimal (influenced stuff) with many elements (this generally sounds ok though IMO). |
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| josh rising |
breaks is definitely a genre. it has its own unique structure, sound and history. and the subgenres definitely count. prog breaks, nu breaks, and of course, the most important, florida breaks.
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