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Hamas Offers Truce: You already know the US-Israeli response...
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| Krypton |
Well, Hamas offers a truce...Two things...
1. US/Israel/UK don't negotiate with terrorists.
2. The term "terrorists" is a now overused term. Nowadays, anyone who is hostile to US/UK interests is called a terrorists.
So if the Western Allies don't negotiate with terrorists, how do they negotiate with any enemies? And is it as if these Western countries are innocent of any terrorism. If 80,000 dead Iraqi's is not terrorism, then I don't know what is. Point? Whoever in the government espouses the "US is too good to negotiate with our enemies", they are a ing idiot.
They espouse democracy, yet reject the Palestinian election for Hamas. Oh, but it doesn't stop there.
1. Mohammad Mossadegh was a nationalist and passionately opposed foreign intervention in Iran. An author, administrator, lawyer, prominent parliamentarian, and statesman, he is most famous as the architect of the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry[3], which had been under British control through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), today known as British Petroleum (BP).Mossadegh was removed from power on August 19, 1953, in a coup d'état, supported and funded by the British and U.S. governments and led by General Fazlollah Zahedi [4]. The American operation came to be known as Operation Ajax in America,[5] after its CIA cryptonym, and as the "28 Mordad 1332" coup in Iran, after its date on the Iranian calendar.
2. A key role in the development of the US-Contra alliance was played by the United States following Ronald Reagan's assumption of the presidency in January 1981. Reagan accused the Sandinistas of importing Cuban-style socialism and aiding leftist guerrillas in El Salvador. On November 23 of that year, Reagan signed the top secret National Security Decision Directive 17 (NSDD-17), giving the CIA the authority to recruit and support the Contras with $19 million in military aid........In 1984 the Sandinistas won an election usually considered free and fair by foreign observers. Election turnout was 75%, with two thirds of voters in support of the Sandinistas.
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Now reject the democratically elected Hamas party of Palestine, even when they offer to negotiate. Such as SAD executive leadership we have in America. Condilezza Rice...WTF has she done in the past 7 years? She gets off the plane, waves, smiles for the cameras, but she makes no deals. What's the point of diplomacy if no deals are done?
| quote: | Hamas says would conditionally accept peace plan
By Khaled Yacoub Oweis 31 minutes ago
DAMASCUS (Reuters) - The Islamist Hamas group said on Monday it would accept the establishment of a Palestinian state on land occupied by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war, but it was not prepared to recognize the Jewish state.
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, in an apparent softening of the group's position, was confirming an account of his remarks given by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter after two meetings in Damascus over the weekend.
"We accept a state on the June 4 line with Jerusalem as capital, real sovereignty and full right of return for refugees but without recognizing Israel," Meshaal told reporters, referring to the borders as they stood before the 1967 war.
Meshaal, whom Carter seeks to draw into peace talks with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israel, said his Islamist group would "respect Palestinian national will even if it was against our convictions."
Washington, which refuses to deal with Hamas and has not backed Carter's mission, said it saw no change in the group's positions.
"I think you can take it with a grain of salt. We have to look at the public comments and we also have to look at actions, and actions speak louder than words," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.
An Israeli government spokesman also said the Jewish state was unimpressed by Meshaal's statement.
"Israel is targeted on a daily basis by rocket barrages from Hamas controlled territory in the Gaza Strip. Israel sees no change in Hamas's extremist positions," said David Baker, a spokesman in Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office.
In a speech in Jerusalem, Carter said Hamas leaders had told him they would "accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders if approved by Palestinians." He was referring to the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and a referendum on a deal Washington hopes to clinch this year.
"It means that Hamas will not undermine Abbas's efforts to negotiate an agreement and Hamas will accept an agreement if the Palestinians support it in a free vote," he said.
But Carter said Meshaal, whom he met on Friday and Saturday and telephoned on Monday over U.S. and Israeli objections, turned down his appeal for a unilateral ceasefire with Israel to end violence threatening peace efforts.
"I did the best I could on that," Carter said of his failure to persuade Hamas to halt rocket fire from the Gaza Strip it has controlled since it ousted Abbas's secular Fatah movement.
Carter said his understandings with Hamas called for a referendum to be preceded by reconciliation between the group and Abbas's Fatah faction. Hamas seized the Gaza Strip from Fatah in June and Abbas has demanded the territory's return.
Gaza-based Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri said Palestinian refugees living in exile must take part in a referendum -- a condition that could dim the chances of approval since Israel opposes their mass return to what is now the Jewish state.
"TRANSITIONAL"
Abu Zuhri also noted Hamas would see any future Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as "transitional."
Speaking later to reporters, Carter said Hamas leaders whom he met "didn't say anything about transitional."
Unlike Abbas, who sought a Palestinian state side-by-side with the Jewish state, Abu Zuhri said Hamas's outstanding position not to recognize Israel's right to exist remained unchanged despite its acceptance of a state in 1967 borders.
Carter, who helped negotiate a 1979 peace treaty between Israel and Egypt, said excluding Hamas, which the United States, Israel and the European Union brand a terrorist group, "is just not working."
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has refused to see Carter, who has been critical of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians, during a regional visit that began on April 13.
"We believe that the problem is not that I met Hamas in Syria," Carter said in his address to the Israel Council on Foreign Relations. "The problem is that Israel and the United States refuse to meet with these people, who must be involved."
Israel pulled troops and settlers out of the Gaza Strip in 2005 but still controls its borders and has tightened its restrictions on the enclave since Hamas's takeover.
Carter said he proposed to Meshaal a rapid exchange of prisoners between Israel, which is holding more than 11,000 Palestinians, and Hamas, which along with other militant groups captured an Israeli soldier in 2006 on the Gaza border. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080421...srael_carter_dc |
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| Fir3start3r |
/ Expecting some random extremist suicide bomber nut to side-track or kill the deal in 3...2...1...
We've seen this pattern waaay too many times.
Not that I'm not for it but let's not all hold our breath either. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
/ Expecting some random extremist suicide bomber nut to side-track or kill the deal in 3...2...1...
We've seen this pattern waaay too many times.
Not that I'm not for it but let's not all hold our breath either. |
short, to the point, and most importantly, accurate. |
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| Krypton |
| You do know there is a state of war going on right now right? How do you expect the Palestinian authority to reign in renegade fighters if their police stations are being missile striked?? Is it any wonder to you firestarter why some are so furious they would kill themselves for revenge? So you expect a failed state to enforce law and order right??? RIGGGHT....:rolleyes: The power lies with Israel. They are have the power and if they want to continue the occupation, they should expect more suicide bombers...:( |
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| hardcore trancer |
| Israels answer to this: most likely More bombings and more sanctions |
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| Capitalizt |
In other news...
Israel caught spying on the US again..
Okay...so we've given Israel untold billions, even upwards of a trillion dollars...Israel is supposedly our ally with whom we have a special relationship. Our unconditional support for them has alienated us from the rest of the world...And what do we get in return? SPYING |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
In other news...
Israel caught spying on the US again..
Okay...so we've given Israel untold billions, even upwards of a trillion dollars...Israel is supposedly our ally with whom we have a special relationship. Our unconditional support for them has alienated us from the rest of the world...And what do we get in return? SPYING |
Isreal looks out for Isreal only. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
In other news...
Israel caught spying on the US again..
Okay...so we've given Israel untold billions, even upwards of a trillion dollars...Israel is supposedly our ally with whom we have a special relationship. Our unconditional support for them has alienated us from the rest of the world...And what do we get in return? SPYING |
i don't disagree that israel pushes the limit, but israel won't use that information against us. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
i don't disagree that israel pushes the limit, but israel won't use that information against us. |
True. But who cares? The principle is they are stealing secret information from us. They already get billions of dollars in military aid every year for their occupation. |
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| Dieselboy_1206 |
Meh. The whole situation over there is screwed up. I don't believe this truce in genuine at all. And while I know the US has done some terrible things over in that country, I do not think that even if we stop, and Isreal ends its occupation, that they will cease.
So many wrongs have been committed by both sides, and I don't see any true truce coming anytime soon. At the same time, I don't think that should mean that we should try. We promote democracy until people that we do not like are elected and then we start looking for ways to get them out of power and put someone that likes us in power. And then that fails because they show independence and start doing things that we don't like and we are back to square one.
I am a firm believer that the US should mind its own business and let countries do as they please for the most part. I think that if we spent the money we are spending on a war over there on preventative measures here in our own country, we would be a lot better off, much like we would be better off spending the drug war spending on preventative measure here in the US. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
True. But who cares? The principle is they are stealing secret information from us. They already get billions of dollars in military aid every year for their occupation. |
i wouldn't be surprised if the US didn't ultimately want israel to know this information. this way we are getting our technology on the front boundaries of the so-called 'war on terror' without us actually doing the dirty work. |
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