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Great Carl Craig interview (pg. 4)
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| Beat Blog |
| quote: | Originally posted by distant
What I mean is, a bit over 200 years isn't enough to establish a national identity. Maybe that's why there's so much desperate patriotism coming from a country that's trying to prove itself.
Just speculating. |
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I don't know why the "desperate patriotism", but I think 200 years is plenty of time to establish a national identity.
Australia has a very strong one after a mere 100! |
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| distant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beat Blog
Australia has a very strong one after a mere 100! |
Examples? I can't really think of anything. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| I think Blake has it right. The dominance of hip-hop since the mid-90s explains why other kinds of dance music haven't really taken off here. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| The dominance of hip-hop also shows why the "religion" explanation is complete bull: hip-hop often has a very similar reckless, hedonistic attitude to other kinds of dance music (and similar pro-drug attitude), and religious bodies are actually even more offended by much of hip-hop (at least the mainstream stuff) because of its violent and sexually explicit lyrics. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The dominance of hip-hop also shows why the "religion" explanation is complete bull: hip-hop often has a very similar reckless, hedonistic attitude to other kinds of dance music (and similar pro-drug attitude), and religious bodies are actually even more offended by much of hip-hop (at least the mainstream stuff) because of its violent and sexually explicit lyrics. |
Craig is using the religion card because of the Politicians who claim to be church going Christians, are the ones writing laws such as the rave law. Its their way of trying to eliminate the EDM scene which in their distorted heads is nothing but drug houses killing America's kids. Their haven't been any hip-hop specific laws trying to eradicate that type of music. Can you imagine if Law makers tried to pass a similar law eliminating clubs that play hip-hop music like they have with EDM? That boils down to a racial issue, and black America would tear this country apart...literally. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
Craig is using the religion card because of the Politicians who claim to be church going Christians, are the ones writing laws such as the rave law. |
The RAVE Act (the most popular example of such a law) started as a bipartisan bill, with three Democrats and four Republicans. It was proposed by Joe Biden, a Democrat. Even Hillary Clinton jumped on the bandwagon before it became law, and she's hardly anyone's idea of a Bible-thumper. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Uh, think again.
The RAVE Act (the most popular example of such a law) started as a bipartisan bill, with three Democrats and four Republicans. It was proposed by Joe Biden, a Democrat. Even Hillary Clinton jumped on the bandwagon before it became law, and she's hardly anyone's idea of a Bible-thumper. |
So your saying Democrats are not religous? Amazing new concept. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
dude, you couldn't be more off, and I'm not trying to patronize you here but hear me on this because I can tell you for a fact that this perception is wrong.
You're using the status quo as an argument as to why there is this status quo.
First of all, to say that people in other countries have fun at parties because they identify with each other's culture and race is complete bollocks. Obviously you've never partied in Europe or anywhere outside of the US. In Ibiza you have people from all over the world partying together and frankly the race/culture issue is almost completely removed. Same goes for social status. In Paris I partied at Rex club next to hipster kids with 1000 euro tables of alcohol and kids wearing cheap clothes and drinking the alcohol they snuck in, everyone on the same page and everyone having fun. DANCE culture is a thing they have in the rest of the world that is severely lacking in the US. People are used to clubbing and partying into the wee hours of the morning, we are not.
It has nothing to do with how we're built and everything to do with how we've been trained and conditioned, and the norms that are beaten into us since we're kids. But this can be reversed and toppled, obviously, since as RJT pointed out, there are plenty of die hard partyers and dance music fans who are on the same page as their European counterparts. We see fun in materialistic objects because thats what we've been trained to do, not because we're incapable of looking past that. And using Coachella as an example of a "good scene" is abysmal. A bunch of kids blowing their wads to boyz noize and justice and hordes more ty pop dance music is not the pinnacle of the dance music experience imo. The only place I ever experienced vibes akin to those I found in Europe was in Miami for WMC at a few select parties and even those were nothing compared to what happens in Europe on any given weekend.
The bottom line is freedom. We tout ourselves as the land of the free but the reason why the rest of the world is out on the weekends having the time of their lives while we're going to hip-hop clubs till 2am and blowing 2 grand to sit next to a bottle of grey goose is precisely because of the LACK of freedom. We cannot grow a healthy dance music scene in the US with such ridiculous restrictions and laws pushing in the other direction.
The 2am liquor rule alone does much of the damage in California, as do curfews, age limits, vastly harsher drug penalties, the amazing difficulty of acquiring the correct permits to throw LEGAL parties at proper venues...etc. The consolidation of the media and prevalent culture in the US also play a big part, such as the inability for dance music to make any inroads into the mainstream without being completely watered down and reduced to nothing more than an echo of the creativity and uniqueness that make it worthwhile in the first place. Religion ties into this due to the fact that without such a huge christian right and conservative movement in this country we would most likely be up to speed with the rest of the world. The culture of repression stems almost entirely from them and them alone.
In the end I think nothing will ever change if we take your "this is just how it is, and we just can't do that because" stance...nothing good will ever come about if we assert that this is the way things are. I hate to sound like a presidential candidate, but change is needed. :p |
That was awesome. |
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| Nostalgic |
| quote: | Originally posted by distant
What I mean is, a bit over 200 years isn't enough to establish a national identity. Maybe that's why there's so much desperate patriotism coming from a country that's trying to prove itself.
Just speculating. |
You and "Beat Blog" should rent a motel room together so you guys can jerk off all day to your "I HATE AMERICA" obsessions. Just don't let it get in your eyes. |
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| distant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nostalgic
You and "Beat Blog" should rent a motel room together so you guys can jerk off all day to your "I HATE AMERICA" obsessions. Just don't let it get in your eyes. |
You seem to love me so much, what with following me around everywhere. Maybe you should jerk me off? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
So your saying Democrats are not religous? Amazing new concept. |
Many European politicians would probably claim to be religious if asked, too. Does that mean we should use "religion" as an explanation for anything bad that happens in Europe?
Ideas like "the entire political system in the U.S. is awash in Bible-thumping" don't wash as an explanation for the RAVE Act when it is often decidedly liberal and not fundie-religious politicians who are proposing and sponsoring the bills.
I would say a better explanation is simply that the American political environment as a whole is suffused with fear and disdain for foreign and unfamiliar things, a category that includes raves. |
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| ibizzzaaa |
So what exactly do you guys wish for? Have various EDM shows like Essential Mix, ASOT and Transitions (just as an example) air on local FM radio stations? MTV covering events such as WMC? More acceptance of people from different socio-economic classes and ethnic backgrounds at parties and raves?
As I already said, I think the best thing to wish for is more underground scenes across the country. Like here in North Carolina there are well developed Drum & Bass and Breaks scenes in Charlotte, and a Psy/Goa Trance scene in Asheville. None of those styles are my thing, but I am still glad they exist and keep it real. Maybe I am just into the idea of keeping good things esoteric and as a well kept secret. |
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