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Magnetonium

The way I put simply,

"It's a Chechen thing ... you won't understand"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ory/Front/home/

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GROZNY, Chechnya — Amina Edieva's abductor stalked her like a seasoned predator. He approached the slender, raven-haired 18-year-old student on a Grozny side street, hoisted her off the ground in a tight bear hug and dragged her into a waiting car.

She screamed, kicked and scratched at the man, but he brought three male friends, a driver and two backup abductors to ensure she couldn't escape. More young men in a second vehicle trailed, on the lookout for witnesses who might try to halt the brazen afternoon capture.

But Ms. Edieva knew that no Chechen would rescue her that September day nearly three years ago. Well versed in Chechnya's bride-abducting traditions, she understood she was caught up in a centuries-old ritual in which her captor, a suitor she had frequently rebuffed, was going to force her to marry him.

"I told him I hated him," she said, but he smiled.

"It doesn't matter if you love me or hate me," he told her calmly. "I want you, and you are going to be my wife."

Across Chechnya and neighbouring Ingushetia, violent bride abductions are staged nearly every week in the mountain-ringed, southern Russian republics known as the North Caucasus; during the spring wedding season, it can happen every day. Young women are snatched from bus stops, on their way home from school and sometimes out of their own yards. A shocking video with clips of men dragging screaming young women, their books, purses and cellphones sent flying, is a popular YouTube posting.

Authorities in the two restive republics routinely turn a blind eye to the violent practice, preferring to depict it as a romantic tradition, often staged by the starry-eyed young couples themselves.

Some claim the practice has a fairytale quality and many young women dream of being abducted by a handsome man.

"It's a sign that [a man] really loves her," said Mariyat Muskeeva, a cultural liaison officer with the Chechen local government. "If a woman can tell her children that their father kidnapped her, it's a great love story."

Most women interviewed across Chechnya and Ingushetia disagreed, saying they felt no affection from the men who stalked them and shoved them into waiting cars. Others said the custom has no place in modern society.

"The government wants to deny this is a problem," said Ms. Edieva, who eventually left her husband after a tense eight-month marriage. "They treat it as a normal thing."

There are no hard statistics on how many women are seized each year in Chechnya and Ingushetia, but human-rights organizations say it is in the thousands. Locals estimate that about half of all marriages begin with abductions.

During the Soviet era, Chechnya and Ingushetia were a single, autonomous republic, and the two cultures revolve first around the tightly knit, patriarchal families, followed by loyalty to the local clan.

Chechens, in particular, are proud of the region's non-Russian identity. In interviews, when asked why bride abduction persists in the 21st century, many replied: "It is our tradition."

Chechen magazine editor Lula Jumalaeva also noted that two wars have left a dire shortage of men. Unmarried women have no status in the society and many are desperate to marry, she said. With so few men, their odds are low of securing husbands of their choosing. If seized, they may feel pressure to marry the captor, especially if his family is suitable.

Family disputes, crimes and most social issues are settled by religious leaders and clan elders, not state authorities. Blood feuds and vigilante justice are common.

It is said that these strong family networks and disciplined religious brotherhoods helped Chechens survive three successive national tragedies, including the Stalin-ordered deportations of almost 400,000 Chechens to Kazakhstan in the 1940s, followed by two brutal wars with Russia in 1994 and 1999.

Women's roles in these tradition-bound societies are largely submissive and they perform the lion's share of household tasks. They are expected to act demurely in the presence of men and to eat at separate tables.

"In our society, we don't like girls who don't obey the rules and who have been touched," said Khamid Gabayev, 79, an elder in the alpine village of Vashendoroy in southern Chechnya. As he spoke, two women bustled around him, one pouring tea, the other cleaning his muddy shoes.

Ms. Muskeeva, the Chechen cultural liaison officer, said bride abductions are expressions of the passionate nature of North Caucasian men and women. "The kidnapping marriages are stronger than other marriages."

But Ms. Edieva barely knew her real-life captor and she was dating another man she longed to marry.

In the first minutes after she was grabbed, her mind flipped though the list of abduction rules most Chechen women know by heart: If she did not escape before morning, there would be no chance of avoiding the forced marriage.

If an unmarried Chechen woman spends a night in a man's house, she is considered to be his wife. If he touches her before marriage, she is thought to be tainted.

"I was about to faint," Ms. Edieva said in a recent interview at her parents' Grozny home. "He had already touched me. I was afraid that if my boyfriend found out, he would never see me again."

The speeding car drove past a military checkpoint manned by Chechens and Russians. The Chechen soldiers would not blink an eye, but she screamed out to the Russian soldiers. No one helped.

For nine hours, Ms. Edieva was held captive, pressured by a crowd of her abductor's relatives, who gathered at his home.

"There were nine men standing around me in a circle," she said. "I was screaming that I will die if I spend the night here. But they were laughing at me."

Just before 1 a.m., she found a cellphone and called home, but her mother was reluctant to rescue her. After she pleaded with an older brother, relatives took her home. Her mother and sister told her she was silly for resisting the match.

The next day, under pressure from her mother and grandfather, she gave in and agreed to marry her abductor, a man she identified only as Aslambeck.

Nine days later, Ms. Edieva, her makeup smudged by tears, was married in a traditional Chechen ceremony where she stood alone in a corner for hours at the groom's house, forbidden to speak or sit until the elders left.

Today, as a divorced young woman in a traditional Muslim culture, her marriage prospects have narrowed. She could marry a divorced man, or become a second wife, neither of which appeal to her.

Back home at her parents' house, Ms. Edieva has not re-enrolled in university and spends hours watching TV. She loves to try on bridal gowns and watch wedding videos.

Her future, she said, is ruined.

"Chechen traditions, they're all about what the parents want," she said bitterly.

Despite the official line that bride abduction is largely stage-managed by the young lovers themselves, scores of young Chechen and Ingush women told similar stories of abductions followed by hours of agonizing negotiations, often with complicit relatives.

Ms. Muskeeva said she doubted these stories, insisting that few Chechen women are forced to marry.

"If a girl doesn't want marriage, if the man's family doesn't want the marriage, if there is no mutual agreement, there is no marriage," she said.

During the interview, her boss, Isa Askhagov, entered the room and described how he captured his wife years ago. The two were dating and planned to marry, but she wanted to first finish medical school. He snatched her on her way home from classes. She was angry at first but he allowed her to finish her studies and today they have five children.

"It's like a play that's acted out," Mr. Askhagov said. "Chechen girls grow up in strict families. A girl wants a real man she can respect."

Of all the Chechen and Ingush traditions, the rules governing courtship and marriage are among the most strict.

Physical contact between an unmarried couple is forbidden. "Dates" normally consist of two people meeting in a public space for a conversation. A man must keep a distance of at least a metre from his female companion.

Chechen and Ingush women are rarely seen in public without head scarves and they never wear pants.

For many young Chechen men, the lack of physical intimacy is unbearable. Umar Makhauri abducted his 16-year-old bride, Malika Makhaeva, outside her grandparents' village house 34 years ago.

He said he had been overcome with desire. "I needed her and so I kidnapped her. I was young and my blood was boiling."

His family and friends supported the abduction and helped lure Ms. Makhaeva from her grandparents' house.

Now 57, he regrets what he did, admitting it caused his wife a lifetime of emotional pain.

Mr. Makhauri's midlife regrets have cost him little, though. He later took a second wife, a Grozny lawyer with whom he now lives part of the week.

His first wife and five of their six children, meanwhile, live outside Grozny in a large family compound. She said she has "never had a day of happiness" with her husband, adding she stayed in the marriage to keep custody of her children.

According to Chechen tradition, children of a divorced couple live with the father.

Ms. Makhaeva said the heartbreak of her marriage left more emotional scars than both wars combined. "My husband has a full life, with his family here and a second wife. I don't. I should have left him."

Fifteen-year-old Shumist Kadyrova ran nearly five kilometres in bare feet through alpine meadows in a failed dash for freedom from her 45-year-old captor. But his friends caught up with her when she stopped to rest by a tree. Within days, she was married.

Despite the terror of that afternoon, Ms. Kadyrova, now 88, speaks fondly of her late husband.

"He was a nice man, a good soul. He had a good heart." At the time of her abduction, Ms. Kadyrova said, she felt pity for him because he could not find a wife his own age.

Six months after the wedding, Russian soldiers rounded up villagers onto trains for deportation to Soviet Kazakhstan, where thousands of Chechens would die of disease and starvation, including Ms. Kadyrova's husband, parents and three siblings. She later married a man of her choosing, a fellow Chechen in exile. They returned to Chechnya 13 years later.

Though she has no ill feelings about her first husband, Ms. Kadyrova said she would like to see bride abductions halted. Her own granddaughter was seized in Ingushetia while in a refugee camp. The Kadyrova family rescued the 20-year-old before nightfall.

"I think it's very violent," Ms. Kadyrova said, recounting the afternoon of her own abduction 73 years ago. "Of course, I had no idea what was going on.

"And there was another boy I was in love with … ," she added, her voice trailing off.

Youtube video of news report on bride kidnapping. -Page 3-







Magnetonium


No comments? :conf: :disbelief Dont be afraid, as long as you dont shove Putin in this discussion (aka irrelevant to the topic), I wont bug you. I need your opinion as to what you think about this "tradition".

I personally dont like it. Chechens have been known to take this tradition to the extremes and abduct people the same way for slave labour in the mountanous villages. Leo Tolstoy wrote about that in his famous book ...
Krypton
It sucks, but what do you expect of the Chechen authorities? The region is plagued with a separatist movement...Nothing is gonna change...
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Krypton
It sucks, but what do you expect of the Chechen authorities? The region is plagued with a separatist movement...Nothing is gonna change...


But this has nothing to do with separatism. Its a centuries-old tradition (kinda sick, I'd say), if you read the article carefully you'd understand.

I posted the article to show what kind of sick traditions some of these Caucasus groups have ... and they very unwilling to part with them. Besides - Chechens are very proud, fierce and determined people. Thats why Putin closes his eyes to some of the questionable developments in that republic because last thing he wants is conflict erupting again.
Krypton
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Originally posted by Magnetonium


But this has nothing to do with separatism. Its a centuries-old tradition (kinda sick, I'd say), if you read the article carefully you'd understand.

I posted the article to show what kind of sick traditions some of these Caucasus groups have ... and they very unwilling to part with them. Besides - Chechens are very proud, fierce and determined people. Thats why Putin closes his eyes to some of the questionable developments in that republic because last thing he wants is conflict erupting again.


I know it's a centuries old tradition. It's lame in my westernized opinion...But Chechan governance really isn't known for integrity. Even if they outlaw the practice, or if they did, I doubt it will be enforced in any coherent fashion...
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Krypton
I know it's a centuries old tradition. It's lame in my westernized opinion...But Chechan governance really isn't known for integrity. Even if they outlaw the practice, or if they did, I doubt it will be enforced in any coherent fashion...


The Chechen president doesnt have broad authority ... well, he does have more authority than for example Karzai, but still - in order to have control and peace in that republic, Mr. Kadyrov has given free reign to the elders and their distant villages - to continue on their way of life and their individual laws and codes. With the beautiful Chechen landscapes and terrain, its so easy to hide and wage guerilla warfare, survive for months in the forests, as I am certain some guerillas still do. The current system is the most stable Chechen form of government right now, and any government attempts to force changes or ban traditions or practises will only turn the elders and villages against the government and can result in some fighting.

But generally Chechen people and their country has been brutalized in the last 70 years by three successive wars that have crippled their country (WW2/expulsion of Chechens by Stalin, War of 1994-1996, War of 1999-2002). They are tired of the war. Peace is very popular in Chechnya to the point where Kadyrov is treated like Putin in Russia. When its Kadyrov's birthday, thousands of Chechens party wild in the streets ... they are happy to live peaceful lives with a sense of security and rebuilding of their republic. Its the kind of peace and security that Chechens didnt even have during their brief de-facto independence between 1996-1999 (Taliban-like rule). I certainly wish them the best.
Krypton
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Originally posted by Magnetonium


The Chechen president doesnt have broad authority ... well, he does have more authority than for example Karzai, but still - in order to have control and peace in that republic, Mr. Kadyrov has given free reign to the elders and their distant villages - to continue on their way of life and their individual laws and codes. With the beautiful Chechen landscapes and terrain, its so easy to hide and wage guerilla warfare, survive for months in the forests, as I am certain some guerillas still do. The current system is the most stable Chechen form of government right now, and any government attempts to force changes or ban traditions or practises will only turn the elders and villages against the government and can result in some fighting.

But generally Chechen people and their country has been brutalized in the last 70 years by three successive wars that have crippled their country (WW2/expulsion of Chechens by Stalin, War of 1994-1996, War of 1999-2002). They are tired of the war. Peace is very popular in Chechnya to the point where Kadyrov is treated like Putin in Russia. When its Kadyrov's birthday, thousands of Chechens party wild in the streets ... they are happy to live peaceful lives with a sense of security and rebuilding of their republic. Its the kind of peace and security that Chechens didnt even have during their brief de-facto independence between 1996-1999 (Taliban-like rule). I certainly wish them the best.


So what was with all the Chechan terrorism? The hostage taking of the Moscow theatre and the school...?
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by Magnetonium

Leo Tolstoy wrote about that in his famous book ...


Hadji Murat is one of my favorite books of all-time, and easily my favorite Tolstoy.
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Krypton
So what was with all the Chechan terrorism? The hostage taking of the Moscow theatre and the school...?


Yes, both sides have had their shares of brutality during the last two wars. Chechen separatists will be best remembered for Beslan and Nord Ost', as well as brazen 1999 attack on Dagestan and conspiracy-laden 1999 apartment bombings that started the second war. And how can I forget the terrible 1995 hospital hostage by Basayev. And then the brutal bombing campaign by Russian forces and indiscriminate shootings by kontraktniki (aka mercenaries aka killers).

The roots of the war and the reasons for Russian trying to reclaim the republic have LITTLE to do with oil, really. Its all about keeping the country intact ... if Chechnya was allowed to go independent and recognized such by Moscow, it would set a massive precedent, a wave to rip the country apart.

Today's situation in Chechnya doesnt worry me at all. The real big problem is developing right now as we speak in neighbouring republic of Ingushetia. I am very worried that might spark a war. Government authorities there have badly mismanaged the situation and are turning the population against the government and slowly into a resistance mode. There has been some serious shootings going on there in the last few months, on a small scale but with a clear message in mind - there are some really pissed off people there. It has become a new hotbed for radical activity in the Caucasus, after radicals and Islamists/Wahhabists have lost Chechen support.

Also, keep your eye on Georgia as I am nearly certain their war and unification bent idiot government wants another war to reconquer the de-facto independent regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Abkhazia alone reported in recent weeks that it shot down 4, thats FOUR Georgian unmanned spy planes. Dont forget that Georgian military budget and spending has quadripled in the last 6 years.
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