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the american forefathers (pg. 4)
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| Renzo |
Ah, the choda is the taint.
Coorva. What a huj I am. |
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| Nostalgic |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
were just ing politicians. they had agendas, biases, and made mistakes like any other public servant. they weren't ing perfect.
so all you stupid ing yanks that keep referring to what you believe the forefathers thought or wanted or believed - shut the up. it doesn't make what you're saying any more accurate or correct.
the fact that you can't see the inherent stupidity of always harking back to 18th century theory is more than a little ridiculous.
yes, i've been reading the guns thread and some of you are ing stupid. |
Did an American rape your mother or something? Jesus ing christ. |
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| RJT |
To be fair to PKC, some of the people are spouting off in that gun thread is unreal.
I had to just stop reading it. |
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| Ania_xox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renzo
Ah, the choda is the taint.
Kurwa. Ale ze mnie chuj. |
fixed :tongue2 xoxo
I think you're ready to go to Warszawa |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nostalgic
Did an American rape your mother or something? Jesus ing christ. |
as an american, i fully agree with PKC. Looking to the intent of people in the 1700's is almost like using an instruction booklet for a computer made in the 1970s when trying to solve a problem with a computer made today. |
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| Project-K |
| Lincoln raped my sister :( |
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| IpLaYWiTLiGhTs |
| quote: | Originally posted by whiskers
Go back to your sheep herd, the only reason you want to forget the past is because you want to hide the fact that you're an offspring of a criminal. Baaaah. |
you beat me to it. :stongue:
Dirty convict... |
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| Renzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ania_xox
fixed :tongue2 xoxo
I think you're ready to go to Warszawa |
Dziękują.
I think. :wtf: |
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| Nostalgic |
| PKC's the next Cyrus King. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
People typically look to the founders because they see the beliefs and desires of the people who wrote and ratified the U.S. Constitution as helpful guides to the interpretation of it, not because they see them as infallible or something.
I guess you could always argue that we should simply disregard the Constitution and make whatever laws we please. That would definitely make the thoughts of the founders irrelevant. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
People typically look to the founders because they see the beliefs and desires of the people who wrote and ratified the U.S. Constitution as helpful guides to the interpretation of it, not because they see them as infallible or something.
I guess you could always argue that we should simply disregard the Constitution and make whatever laws we please. That would definitely make the thoughts of the founders irrelevant. |
I don't really think that's the issue PKC is having here though - it's not whether or not the founding fathers were intelligent, thoughtful people who laid the groundwork for pretty much all social change in the Western world for the past 250 years, but rather that all too often it seems that the average American (and average American politician) are willing to interpret the policies of the founding fathers for their own devices.
The second amendment just seems to be the one where most folks either completely miss the point (and its irrelevance in the modern world), or consciously choose to misread it in an effort to support their own agendas, and I'd be lying if I said it didn't me off as well. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
I don't really think that's the issue PKC is having here though - it's not whether or not the founding fathers were intelligent, thoughtful people who laid the groundwork for pretty much all social change in the Western world for the past 250 years, but rather that all too often it seems that the average American (and average American politician) are willing to interpret the policies of the founding fathers for their own devices.
The second amendment just seems to be the one where most folks either completely miss the point (and its irrelevance in the modern world), or consciously choose to misread it in an effort to support their own agendas, and I'd be lying if I said it didn't me off as well. |
Beat me to it.
I'd only add that the comment is directed at the people who defend their positions with "because the Founders said so!" and leave it at that, not taking into account the context of the decisions of the Founders - the majority of issues of the time were viciously debated for years. It's silly to forget that and think they represent uniformity of consensus on all issues relating to law and the Constitution. Whether times have changed or not, it's important to realize that "The Founders" were not a single entity, and that they spent more time disagreeing (and dueling) amongst themselves than agreeing on anything with unanimity of "intentions." |
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