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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by southbound24
Im tend to lean to the right these days, but my whole aprty sounds ridiculous when they say the economy is good, unemployment is low, inflation is low, they sound so out of touch, |
Expect to be lied to like you've been lied to in the past 8 years. The Republicans have never been less known to acknowledge their faults even before Bush
| quote: | | Obama talks about change and new and blah blah blah, but his voting record is among the most liberal in the senate |
Would you, along with everyone else out in the blogosphere, like to point out exactly what the you're talking about? I've been hearing this from Hillary people for 2-3 months now and it's complete bull, especially if you were supporting Hillary, since their voting records have been pretty much identical.
| quote: | | he comes from the most corrupt political machine in the US, chicago politics, where he wentto bed with really bad guys in order to get elected, and now thats come back to haunt him. |
Like who, Tony Rezko? Or are you talking about bull associations like William Ayers, people who aren't associates, but sat on boards with him, etc. I suppose that all of Ayers' students, since he's a college prof, would be unfit to be President as well?
| quote: | | McCain is a good guy, steps across the aisle on a regular basis |
A lot less so in the past 8 years. The transformation of John McCain since 2000 has resulted in a pandering, more hawkish individual simply because he had to pick up W's voters that defeated him in 2000. He's not the same person.
| quote: | | Energy alternatives taht the public will see in a year or less is what people want, The left so they feel like "carbon heroes", and the right cause it stops padding the pcokets of those who want to kil us (Saudi arabia, iran), here is something we can all agree on, but no plans available. |
You've got to be kidding. There are no worthwhile energy alternatives that will result in progress within a year. Do you think that this is just research and development that someone's been keeping locked up in a warehouse? This is the problem with this country - we're too impatient. Disregarding all moral issues with the war, it's the same reason that we shouldn't have gotten involved in Iraq. It's always the "get rick quick" and "short-term solutions" ideas that usually set us back rather than move us forward. We're not willing to invest in anything if we can't see results in 6 months and that's just idiotic.
The problem is that when we were dumping money into "defense" programs so that we could go on offensive wars, we've spent a minute fraction on alternative energy projects. When you don't have funds to pay researchers and scientists or to pay for equipment, you don't get results. Even in the 90s there were electric car prototypes and solar panels (on homes and cars), but they were prohibitively expensive or not as functional as needed because finding cheaper, more efficient methods wasn't affordable for the inventors.
| quote: | | If he steps into any debates with McCain, John will tear him and his in experience apart |
I'll believe this when I see it. McCain admits that he doesn't know economics very well and his main "strength," war isn't going so well in the eyes of the people.
| quote: | | It would be nice if they ran a policy election-no personal attacks-but not sure tahts possible in 2008 |
I'm sure these will be coming from Obama's people. He didn't use them to get rid of Hillary and the Republicans have been using the "Obama's a Muslim" and "Barack Hussein Obama" cards all along. |
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| cl0wnz0r |
| quote: | | bring down or at leats stabilize gas prices |
McCain plans to "suspend the 18.4-cent-a-gallon federal gas tax and 24.4-cent diesel tax from Memorial Day to Labor Day. Over the same period, stop filling the Strategic Petroleum Reserve." |
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| matt167698 |
There are other alternatives than the "lesser of two evils"
I'm voting libertarian ( www.lp.org ) but check out some third parties.. There are other options out there, just that no one looks for them.
You've heard about the impact of Nader in 2000 and the potential impact of the Libertarian party (Bob Barr) in certain states (i.e. NH) in the upcoming election. And the % of vote that Nader got and Bob Barr might get is really small... 2%,3%, 5%... imagine if that number doubled or tripled to 10% or 15%. That would be a sizeable voting block thats abstaining from "politics as usual" and not voting for someone they don't agree with or believe in just because everyone else is... |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Expect to be lied to like you've been lied to in the past 8 years. The Republicans have never been less known to acknowledge their faults even before Bush |
Agreed...
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Would you, along with everyone else out in the blogosphere, like to point out exactly what the you're talking about? I've been hearing this from Hillary people for 2-3 months now and it's complete bull, especially if you were supporting Hillary, since their voting records have been pretty much identical. |
Yeah I'm not sure if he can be seen as this ultra-liberal people are trying to pin him down as (for being young and black)... If anything, I think he was the most conservative out of the pack...
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Like who, Tony Rezko? Or are you talking about bull associations like William Ayers, people who aren't associates, but sat on boards with him, etc. I suppose that all of Ayers' students, since he's a college prof, would be unfit to be President as well? |
Well, the fact that you already named a few jabs that CAN be taken against Obama is a scary thing. You know very well how the Republican hate machine works and how many more things they can dig up on the snap of a finger. We better brace ourselves for very hard times ahead because they will find endless ways to get the general public scared about voting for Barack Obama.
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A lot less so in the past 8 years. The transformation of John McCain since 2000 has resulted in a pandering, more hawkish individual simply because he had to pick up W's voters that defeated him in 2000. He's not the same person. |
True, although, from my own experience, even former Dems around here use that "he reaches across the aisle" line way too much. I disagree, but the fact that there's so many people that feel this way shows that his reputation from that era stuck with him, for the better.
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You've got to be kidding. There are no worthwhile energy alternatives that will result in progress within a year. Do you think that this is just research and development that someone's been keeping locked up in a warehouse? This is the problem with this country - we're too impatient. |
Agreed...
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I'll believe this when I see it. McCain admits that he doesn't know economics very well and his main "strength," war isn't going so well in the eyes of the people. |
Well, I thought he was the weakest in the Republican debates, and somehow he squeeked through. That simple fact shows that things he may say that make YOU laugh may very well resonate with a lot of other types of voters. For example, the whole "hope" and "change" thing made me roll my eyes whenever Obama spoke but it had a much more positive action for many people. His supporters touted him as the winner of every debate, but that was their enthusiasm talking. But what I saw was him time and time again saying "well, I agree with Senator Clinton" and then add an extra little bit. I heard him stutter and stammer a lot and he wasn't the same person as when he is on stage giving a speech. Thus, I don't think you should overestimate him, he's not as good of a debater as people are making him out to be.
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I'm sure these will be coming from Obama's people. He didn't use them to get rid of Hillary and the Republicans have been using the "Obama's a Muslim" and "Barack Hussein Obama" cards all along. |
I beg to differ; he got his surrogates and spokespeople to do the dirty work for him while he stood in the background like the innocent boy who did no wrong. That's the most common misconception when people say "he's not running a campaign like everyone else has in the past". This is a great strategy and would work very well for the general election (so in no way am I hating on him). However, the problem is that McCain knows how to do this tactic just as well. Even before Hillary conceded, a commercial went out down South that really mud-slinged the out of Obama. McCain then released a statement that day saying he "never authorized the commercial, nor does he agree with its views. He wants the tone of he 2008 election to be a positive one, and not a negative one as we're so used to in the past".... Bull.... But that shows how slick of a campaign he plans on running, and that was a good 2 months ago. |
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| martinezequiel |
If You guys wanted change its too late we blew it. (In the words of Kucinich, if you people want change you better vote for who's out there for real change not for speech change because if we don't well we'll get wat we deserve)...
Ron Paul for me seemed like the only person that wasn't a flip-flopper and alwasy stayed in line for what he had to say. Some of the stuff he said on the debates was so true that he had people laughing like he was a clown. So happened the media of course cut him off bye bye ron paul. Now what do we have as our choise,(a) Mr. McCain or (b) Mr. Obama. hmmmmmmmmmmmm thats a hard one. how about (c) none of the above!
God Bless America. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by martinezequiel
If You guys wanted change its too late we blew it. (In the words of Kucinich, if you people want change you better vote for who's out there for real change not for speech change because if we don't well we'll get wat we deserve)...
Ron Paul for me seemed like the only person that wasn't a flip-flopper and alwasy stayed in line for what he had to say. Some of the stuff he said on the debates was so true that he had people laughing like he was a clown. So happened the media of course cut him off bye bye ron paul. Now what do we have as our choise,(a) Mr. McCain or (b) Mr. Obama. hmmmmmmmmmmmm thats a hard one. how about (c) none of the above!
God Bless America. |
It's a little to late to be making any sense. Sadly, people don't want to hear it. |
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| Steve-Neil |
52% of Russians though ffs. 100% of Americans wouldn't want Putin in charge of Russia.. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by verndogs
My wild guess is that Yan isn't a fan of subsidizied or national health care |
neither am I, however, I am for the environment, a major shift in energy policy, and leaders actually being smarter than those they lead. my vote is for obama. |
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| colibri |
last week was a historic moment from a nation of slavery
to a more cordial one soon the rest of thelectorate will
embrace obama’s journey as an idealistic dreamer who is
not just concern abouthe welfare of his country rectifying
the misdeeds of the current administration but is more
aware and sensitive to the interconnectedness of the
world ... |
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| Bloodflower |
its actually crazy that even within the 20-30s years old over one third would vote for mccain, i dont want to see what is coming from this way within the next month. especially from older generations.
we all can just hope for the u.s. and also the rest of the world that obama will make it. |
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| jashic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Expect to be lied to like you've been lied to in the past 8 years. The Republicans have never been less known to acknowledge their faults even before Bush
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yep
| quote: | Would you, along with everyone else out in the blogosphere, like to point out exactly what the you're talking about? I've been hearing this from Hillary people for 2-3 months now and it's complete bull, especially if you were supporting Hillary, since their voting records have been pretty much identical.
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well, to be fair, both hillary and obama are clear liberals. Do they have the "most" liberal voting record? Depends on who you ask. But to say either were moderates is just a lie.
| quote: | Like who, Tony Rezko? Or are you talking about bull associations like William Ayers, people who aren't associates, but sat on boards with him, etc. I suppose that all of Ayers' students, since he's a college prof, would be unfit to be President as well?
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They need to execute all of Bill Ayer's students in the gas chamber. That is the only way to rid of his influence. :rolleyes:
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A lot less so in the past 8 years. The transformation of John McCain since 2000 has resulted in a pandering, more hawkish individual simply because he had to pick up W's voters that defeated him in 2000. He's not the same person.
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agreed
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You've got to be kidding. There are no worthwhile energy alternatives that will result in progress within a year. Do you think that this is just research and development that someone's been keeping locked up in a warehouse? This is the problem with this country - we're too impatient. Disregarding all moral issues with the war, it's the same reason that we shouldn't have gotten involved in Iraq. It's always the "get rick quick" and "short-term solutions" ideas that usually set us back rather than move us forward. We're not willing to invest in anything if we can't see results in 6 months and that's just idiotic.
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Republicans don't want alternative fuels. We should know this after the last 8 years. If your best friend owns an ice cream store in your neighborhood, you're not gonna go around town telling people ice cream is bad for you.
| quote: | The problem is that when we were dumping money into "defense" programs so that we could go on offensive wars, we've spent a minute fraction on alternative energy projects.
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Defense programs are their to limit US casualties. And what offensive war are you talking about? Iraq? Hardly. IF the intelligence was true, we had every right to invade Iraq. Maybe we should be spending more on intelligence. In any event, skimping on "defense" when the world wants you dead is a dumb idea. We should cut welfare instead.
| quote: | | Republicans have been using the "Obama's a Muslim" and "Barack Hussein Obama" cards all along. |
Its not a tactic. They really believe that Obama is a muslim terrorist who has a secret Jihad against the US people. |
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