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Shocking. Tim Russert dead at 58 (pg. 2)
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
58 is not that young age not to die.. no shock here. |
Outside of 3rd world countries, actually it's very shocking and very young. Considering the average lifespan age is in the mid-upper 70's, he died quite young.
By the way, I wrote a diary up on Daily Kos pertaining to his health, if anyone's interested:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/...7486/333/535644 |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Outside of 3rd world countries, actually it's very shocking and very young. |
Yeah right, 3rd world country.. I was expecting someone to play that card.
I am in a '3rd' world country.. and people here live till mid 70s too like in your 'first' world countries.. dosent matter what UN reports says..
My brother got engaged, one 26 year old boy attended the ceremony, we have him in our engeament vedio.. and next day we hear he is dead.. same heart attack.. was it because because he lived in a third world country? I dont think so..
It all depends on your lifestyle.. you can die at 26 or 58.. dosent matter which world country you born in.. you understand that? This has nothing to do with what country he lived in... its all what lifestyle you maintain.. you smoke, you drink acesivly?, you are fat with high cholestrol?
Peopple in 3rd world and 1st world have same health problems. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
Yeah right, 3rd world country.. I was expecting someone to play that card. |
It's not a "card" to play. It's a matter of factual record.
| quote: | | I am in a '3rd' world country.. and people here live till mid 70s too like in your 'first' world countries.. dosent matter what UN reports says.. |
Certainly glad it's because you say so. The authoritarian viewpoint from your view most certainly trumps that of worldwide surveys and research studies. How quickly one forgets (or didn't even know).
| quote: | My brother got engaged, one 26 year old boy attended the ceremony, we have him in our engeament vedio.. and next day we hear he is dead.. same heart attack.. was it because because he lived in a third world country? I dont think so..
It all depends on your lifestyle.. you can die at 26 or 58.. dosent matter which world country you born in.. you understand that? This has nothing to do with what country he lived in... its all what lifestyle you maintain.. you smoke, you drink acesivly?, you are fat with high cholestrol?
Peopple in 3rd world and 1st world have same health problems. |
You're preaching to the choir about healthy lifestyle, sir. As a physical therapist, personal trainer and wellness instructor, I certainly share your viewpoint about these behavioral risk factors you mention.
However, it is a matter of fact that the lifespan in less developed countries is lower:
http://www.deathreference.com/Ke-Ma...Expectancy.html
http://www.blognow.com.au/journospe...9S_POOREST.html
Like it or not, the lifespan in those less developed countries is lower. Now if you want to argue the reason as to why those lifespans are lower in lesser developed countries, that's another topic altogether (although there is a health-related aspect in those factors as well).
I think I understand your overall point, that we need to have healthier lifestyles overall, and couldn't agree more with you on that. But to get back to the point of Mr. Russert's age, in comparison to the average lifespan in developed and even lesser developed countries, he did in fact pass away at what would be considered a relatively young age. |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
It's not a "card" to play. It's a matter of factual record.
Certainly glad it's because you say so. The authoritarian viewpoint from your view most certainly trumps that of worldwide surveys and research studies. How quickly one forgets (or didn't even know).
You're preaching to the choir about healthy lifestyle, sir. As a physical therapist, personal trainer and wellness instructor, I certainly share your viewpoint about these behavioral risk factors you mention.
However, it is a matter of fact that the lifespan in less developed countries is lower:
http://www.deathreference.com/Ke-Ma...Expectancy.html
http://www.blognow.com.au/journospe...9S_POOREST.html
Like it or not, the lifespan in those less developed countries is lower. Now if you want to argue the reason as to why those lifespans are lower in lesser developed countries, that's another topic altogether (although there is a health-related aspect in those factors as well).
I think I understand your overall point, that we need to have healthier lifestyles overall, and couldn't agree more with you on that. But to get back to the point of Mr. Russert's age, in comparison to the average lifespan in developed and even lesser developed countries, he did in fact pass away at what would be considered a relatively young age. |
Well accordingly to your own sources here:
http://www.deathreference.com/Ke-Ma...Expectancy.html
life expectancy in so called 'less developed countries' is said to be around 64.
Less developed countries: 64
So dont tell me because he dies at the age of 58 in a developed country of yours is tragic. It all he is to be blamed.. because of perhaps the lifestyle he maintained..
And if you are comparing his death age with one those living in Iraq, Somalia, Sudan etc.. than you are just \finding an excuse to please yourself..
He died a natural death.. no matter what first or third world country he lived in.. you might find it tragic to boost your own ego.. but its pretty natural and nothing shocking. |
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| cmay119 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
Well accordingly to your own sources here:
http://www.deathreference.com/Ke-Ma...Expectancy.html
life expectancy in so called 'less developed countries' is said to be around 64.
Less developed countries: 64
So dont tell me because he dies at the age of 58 in a developed country of yours is tragic. It all he is to be blamed.. because of perhaps the lifestyle he maintained..
And if you are comparing his death age with one those living in Iraq, Somalia, Sudan etc.. than you are just \finding an excuse to please yourself..
He died a natural death.. no matter what first or third world country he lived in.. you might find it tragic to boost your own ego.. but its pretty natural and nothing shocking. |
You've just contradicted yourself. He didn't even make it to the average age of said "less developed countries".
So he did IN FACT die young.
Thanks for playing. :) |
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| Kinezi |
Go ahead and compare his 'tragic' death in United States of America compared to death of one nobody in Chad.. if his death makes you sad and depressed.. and guilty and sorry.. and empathy.. its okay with me.. he died at 58.. sooooooooooo sad, it gives a boost to your ego... isnt it?
People die at 6 because they dont have medicine to cure antisecptic or yellow fever in Chad, C.A.R. |
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| Shakka |
| Is this for real? As if the "senior citizens" of this board need another shill telling us we're old. It is not terribly common, and it is certainly not par for the course, for a 58 year old to drop dead of a massive heart-attack. Does it happen from time to time? Sure. But is it the norm? Hardly. |
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| cmay119 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
Go ahead and compare his 'tragic' death in United States of America compared to death of one nobody in Chad.. if his death makes you sad and depressed.. and guilty and sorry.. and empathy.. its okay with me.. he died at 58.. sooooooooooo sad, it gives a boost to your ego... isnt it?
People die at 6 because they dont have medicine to cure antisecptic or yellow fever in Chad, C.A.R. |
That wasn't the arguement. Whether I feel sad or not about his death is irrelevant to what you were argueing.
You initially said he didn't die young. You then disproved your own statement by saying the average age of death (even in a third world country) is 64. Dieing below the age of the average, is equivelant to dieing young.
What the hell are you talking about? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Huh, strange how that somehow contradicts my point when I said this earlier:
| quote: | | in comparison to the average lifespan in developed and even lesser developed countries, he did in fact pass away at what would be considered a relatively young age. |
Guess I'm not exactly sure what on earth you're arguing about here. How does that counter my point that lifespans are shorter in lesser developed countries?
| quote: | | So dont tell me because he dies at the age of 58 in a developed country of yours is tragic. It all he is to be blamed.. because of perhaps the lifestyle he maintained.. |
Not sure I ever said his death was a tragic one. Can you point to where I said that? Tragic is a relative and subjective term. I'm sure, subjectively speaking, however, that to his friends and family, the word "tragic" is appropriate to them considering one moment he's alive, had good marks on his stress test a few weeks earlier, blood pressure and overall health appeared to be reasonably normal, and then the next he collapsed on the floor at NBC and died. To those around him, I think that term applies well.
And once again, I'm agreeing with you that it is he who is to blame for this. If you read the diary I posted at Daily Kos, this was exactly my point. Why are you insisting on bringing this point up when no one really disagrees with you on it?
| quote: | | And if you are comparing his death age with one those living in Iraq, Somalia, Sudan etc.. than you are just \finding an excuse to please yourself.. |
Okay, seriously, what the hell are you talking about? Did you just come in here just to throw on the wall and hope it sticks? I won't pretend to have the patience to put up with the contrite bull that you're spouting right now, and perhaps I should. But it's clear that a thread that's devoted to the death of a man who, according and in comparison to ALL relative lifespans in countries across the globe, passed away younger than what could be considered expected, all you are doing is attempting to start a silly ing flame war for no apparent reason.
"Finding an excuse to please myself?" Seriously, go climb a ing tree, sir. YOU were the one that came in here stating:
| quote: | | 58 is not that young age not to die.. no shock here. |
I then replied that I disagreed because unless he lived in a third world country, he did die young according to lifespan statistics.
You then replied with a cute little quip:
| quote: | Yeah right, 3rd world country.. I was expecting someone to play that card.
I am in a '3rd' world country.. and people here live till mid 70s too like in your 'first' world countries.. dosent matter what UN reports says.. |
And then proceeded to give anecdotal evidence that was unsupportable and unverifiable, and directly contradicts known factual statistics on lifespans across the globe. I then gave you those statistics, which actually showed that he died at an age LOWER than those lesser developed countries, to which you've done nothing to counter anything directly or even indirectly that I've stated.
And what's worse, if you actually read what I said, I've agreed with you on a number of points. But you've utterly failed to see that, or at the very least acknowledge that.
So again I ask, what the hell are you here for in this thread? What the hell is your point? If there is something specific to which you disagree with me on, you're certainly not making that clear at all. And it's becoming obvious that your obnoxious rants are more for disruption rather than adding anything worthwhile to the discussion.
| quote: | | He died a natural death.. no matter what first or third world country he lived in.. you might find it tragic to boost your own ego.. |
Okay, again, what the hell are you talking about? How the hell does this "boost my ego?" Do you have any understanding what that even means? You're looking more and more foolish as you write.
What are you here for in this thread? What the hell is your point?
| quote: | | but its pretty natural and nothing shocking. |
The fact that it may or may not have been natural does not in any way equate to it not being shocking. Again that's entirely relative and subjective, and I doubt you could convince his friends and family members of that, nor does it appear from your smirky tone that you even give a . |
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| Groundhog Boy |
And Kinezi wins the award for douchebag of the week. Congrats
And yes, congrats for pointing out that people die younger than 58, as though we didn't all know. That doesn't change the fact that Russert was young and that it's tragic that the United States will be without the best journalist that we had during a crucial election year. |
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| Krypton |
| I bet you the vast right wing conspiracy knocked him off. |
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| Shakka |
| Perhaps the simple fact that his father is still alive is illustrative of the fact that he died a wee bit prematurely. |
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