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| Silky Johnson |
| It was never intelligent, because Arbiter hadn't posted yet. So there! |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yet another intelligent thread ends with jenny getting butted. |
sig-quality. |
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| Arbiter |
| Looking at the oral argument transcript, I'd have to say I expect an unfavorable outcome; most likely 5-4 along partisan lines. Justice Kennedy's questions seemed to suggest he interprets it as an individual right (not terribly surprising given his libertarian leanings), and since I really can't see Justices Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, or Alito upholding the gun control laws, the outcome looks pretty certain unfortunately. |
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| Darkarbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yet another intelligent thread ends with jenny getting butted. |
Isn't that the way its meant to be? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Looking at the oral argument transcript, I'd have to say I expect an unfavorable outcome; most likely 5-4 along partisan lines. Justice Kennedy's questions seemed to suggest he interprets it as an individual right (not terribly surprising given his libertarian leanings), and since I really can't see Justices Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, or Alito upholding the gun control laws, the outcome looks pretty certain unfortunately. |
oh well :(
any justices expected to die in the next 8 years? |
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| Lilith |
| I don't see limiting the amount of single lunatics with guns being reduced or forced to join organised groups of lunatics with guns as being any better than the current situation. Militia's typically aren't the most useful of things unless you need to put down an insurgency which has a level of unaccountability for the government for all the crimes and human rights abuses which eventuate from half wits, badly trained with guns being cut loose. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
oh well :(
any justices expected to die in the next 8 years? |
Well Justice Stevens is 88, but he's generally regarded as a liberal. Realistically, the Dems need to win the presidency just to avoid falling further behind. Because most of the conservative justices would try with (varying degrees of determination) to put off retirement while we have a democrat in the white house, we'd realistically need to see three consecutive terms of dem presidents to have a solid shot at a liberal majority. |
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| PHALPAX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
The only people carrying guns around should be Law Enforcement Officers and the military. Anyone else who owns one should only use it a firing range or when hunting and should be thrown in jail for carrying one out in public. Permits should be mandatory and not given to just some random Joe.
If the rest of the world can do it and function properly, why can't the US?
"Oooooh but what if I get held up on the street with a gun, then if I can't carry one how will I defend myself?" Please....that would be far less common if it wasn't so easy to get a gun. In most other countries with good gun laws this hardly ever happens.
Having said that, the backwards thinking of the American Supreme court will not go through with this and we'll be back at square one because some group of rednecks will throw a tantrum about how they aren't allowed to carry around their double barrel shotgun so they can shoot trespassers on their lawn :rolleyes: |
Anyone who has any kind of street smarts at all knows that most "bad guys" don't go to a gun shop to pick up a piece, they're bought and sold on the street, so they'll be carrying heat anyway. Also, the cops cannot protect you 24/7 and especially when the police are more or less indifferent towards low income neighborhoods. I own several guns, and my whole neighborhood knows it, and it's a more effective deterrent than any burglar alarm or guard dog. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by PHALPAX
Anyone who has any kind of street smarts at all knows that most "bad guys" don't go to a gun shop to pick up a piece, they're bought and sold on the street, so they'll be carrying heat anyway. |
But those guns have been bought from somewhere right? Second hand? It doesn't matter. The harder it gets to purchase a gun, the less guns you'll be seeing 'on the street'.
Do you honestly think that if gun ownership in America was suddenly made illegal, or required specific licensing, that everyone would still have them? There would be heaps of 'leftover' guns for a while, while the change-over-period was happening, but it would die down more and more over time. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by PHALPAX
Anyone who has any kind of street smarts at all knows that most "bad guys" don't go to a gun shop to pick up a piece, they're bought and sold on the street, so they'll be carrying heat anyway. Also, the cops cannot protect you 24/7 and especially when the police are more or less indifferent towards low income neighborhoods. I own several guns, and my whole neighborhood knows it, and it's a more effective deterrent than any burglar alarm or guard dog. |
i didnt make this thread to start yet another gun control debate. so take your fallacious bollocks elsewhere. |
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| PHALPAX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
But those guns have been bought from somewhere right? Second hand? It doesn't matter. The harder it gets to purchase a gun, the less guns you'll be seeing 'on the street'.
Do you honestly think that if gun ownership in America was suddenly made illegal, or required specific licensing, that everyone would still have them? There would be heaps of 'leftover' guns for a while, while the change-over-period was happening, but it would die down more and more over time. |
There is roughly 200 million legally owned guns in the U.S. and it is estimated that 40% of the population owns them. If guns were magically illegally, they wouldnt go away for a long time. www.armedamerica.org
Gun laws in the U.S. differ greatly from state to state. Seeing as I'm looking at an int'l audience in this forum, I recommend you understand gun laws in the U.S. before you sound foolish.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/ |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by PHALPAX
There is roughly 200 million legally owned guns in the U.S. and it is estimated that 40% of the population owns them. If guns were magically illegally, they wouldnt go away for a long time. www.armedamerica.org
Gun laws in the U.S. differ greatly from state to state. Seeing as I'm looking at an int'l audience in this forum, I recommend you understand gun laws in the U.S. before you sound foolish.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/ |
But, do you understand the gun laws, and their reasoning, in so many other countries in the world?
Here in Australia, out gun laws became super-strict after the Port Arthur Massacre. To my knowledge, there hasn't been another similar incident since in this country? In 12 years!
Our government initiated a 'buy back scheme' where all (now illegal) firearms were purchased back from their owners, exempting a few folks who required the use of them (law enforcement, armed forces, security, farmers etc.)
In your opinion, do you think that was a idea? Limiting the amount of people that can have access to firearms? |
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