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The War Drums are getting louder over Iran (pg. 9)
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| Kinezi |
| US funds trains and arm Israeili terrorists. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
US funds trains and arm Israeili terrorists. |
Not one; Iran nor the USA is innocent. That has been established.... |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
US funds trains and arm Israeili terrorists. |
Yets thats ok,because Israel needs to defend itself at all costs but when Iran wants to defends its borders they are looked upon as extremists and threat to the world. |
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| hardcore trancer |
Do you really want to play the propaganda game?you really think those children need to be told about what Isreal has done to their land and families? those kids will grow to hate Isreal no matter what.If I come and kill your whole family when you are just a kid,wouldnt you want to have revenge over their deaths?
You obviously dont know much about the region or the situation since you are trying to prove a point by posting some lame videos from youtube. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Do you really want to play the propaganda game?you really think those children need to be told about what Isreal has done to their land and families? those kids will grow to hate Isreal no matter what.If I come and kill your whole family when you are just a kid,wouldnt you want to have revenge over their deaths?
You obviously dont know much about the region or the situation since you are trying to prove a point by posting some lame videos from youtube. |
Yeah dude... obviously I know nothing. Hamas is the benevolent caregiver, and Israel is nothing more than a bloodthirsty regime hell bent on evil.
That's not propoganda from Jewish newspapers or media, that is strait from Hamas TV. I'm well aware that BOTH parties are to blame for much suffering. I never insinuated Israel is free of any blame. But you are a Hamas/Palestine apologist, and talking like anything they do is justified. I understand that you have an inherent bias because of where you are from, but I can look objectively at the situation being an outsider. When you have that hate filled rhetoric pumped into your brain from childhood, regardless of what side you are on, the chances of making real progress are seriously handicapped if you care more about revenge than peace |
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| Kinezi |
As far as I remember, Palestine is a democratic country, and hamas was democratically elected after the landslide win of people's will.
Now its none of our business what hamas teaches in their school, because every country has its own biased education system, in my country i was told austria was the first victim of ww2 and hitler.. but later on when i read the full story i came to know that austria gave shelter and supported hitler and never was a victim but actually the criminals who supported and welcomed hitler. So the point is, education system is tailormade according to country in every country.. like israel teaches its children how they are the sole victim and because of that they are 'special' and deserve a 'special' treatment throughout their life. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Yeah dude... obviously I know nothing. Hamas is the benevolent caregiver, and Israel is nothing more than a bloodthirsty regime hell bent on evil. |
Hamas is a resistance force against Isreali occupation and dont forget they are part of the Palestinian government elected by the people.I thought America was all about democracy and free elections?if thats the case then why cant they accept Hamas?
| quote: | | That's not propoganda from Jewish newspapers or media, that is strait from Hamas TV. I'm well aware that BOTH parties are to blame for much suffering. |
Who are we to go and tell other nations what they can and cant teach their own children schools?
| quote: | | I never insinuated Israel is free of any blame. But you are a Hamas/Palestine apologist, and talking like anything they do is justified. |
Defending their land and fighting the unjustifies occupation by the zionist regime is justified by me.you say you you look at things as an outsider but I havent seen you condemning Isreali behaviour towards the Palestinians.
| quote: | | I understand that you have an inherent bias because of where you are from, but I can look objectively at the situation being an outsider. |
So because of my nationality I cant have a objective view on the situation?I can certainly say the same about you being American.
| quote: | | When you have that hate filled rhetoric pumped into your brain from childhood, regardless of what side you are on, the chances of making real progress are seriously handicapped if you care more about revenge than peace |
The reality however is that those children will grow to hate Isreal and this will continue for many generations to come. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | | Hamas is a resistance force against Isreali occupation and dont forget they are part of the Palestinian government elected by the people.I thought America was all about democracy and free elections?if thats the case then why cant they accept Hamas? |
Yeah we are about free elections and democracy.. doesn't mean we should support someone because they were freely elected though. Hamas is almost as anti US as they are anti Israel. The US didn't think Hamas would get elected; it was a surprise here. I don't know if this is true, but we were told it was because Hamas was doing more for the people than the actual government at the time. If that's true, it was a damn good strategy because now they can impose their will/laws on the people as the ruling government and decide what and how to educate the youth.
| quote: | | Who are we to go and tell other nations what they can and cant teach their own children schools? |
I understand your point man, but don't you agree even a littl ebit that it's wrong to start teaching that stuff at such a young age, while minds are so malleable and before they can think for themselves? I saw another video of some little girl like, 3 years old, saying "Jews are pigs... death to Israel," etc. Weather it's a Palestinian or a Jew doing it, generally speaking, it's just wrong.
| quote: | | Defending their land and fighting the unjustifies occupation by the zionist regime is justified by me.you say you you look at things as an outsider but I havent seen you condemning Isreali behaviour towards the Palestinians. So because of my nationality I cant have a objective view on the situation?I can certainly say the same about you being American. |
A statement like that tells me, yeah, you can't possibly look at the situation objectively. It's not a knock against your intelligence man, it's just a fact that you can't have the perspective of an outsider which is definitely different. And as an American, you're right too... I can't possibly understand what it's like to not have a homeland to go to. I'm not defending Israel either by the way... I'm well aware of the reprehensible actions on both sides.
| quote: | | The reality however is that those children will grow to hate Isreal and this will continue for many generations to come. |
You're right... I totally agree with you. It's been going on forever. As long as the majority on both sides continue to say " it, this will never end," it will just keep on going. Are you ever going to go back or are you going to stay in Canada (that's where you are now, right?). Just curious |
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| Kinezi |
Here comes the war! Be Prepared Iran!
| quote: | Prepare for a possible strike on Iran: Bush tells Israel
London, Jul 13 (PTI)US President George W Bush has given Israel a go-ahead to begin preparations for a military attack on Iran, in case talks over the country's controversial nuclear programme fail to yield results, a media report has said.
The Bush administration is said to have informed Jerusalemthat he would back an Israeli plan to strike Iran's main nuclear sites with long-range aerial weapons if diplomatic talks over Tehran's nuclear programme broke down, the Sunday Times said quoting a Pentagon official.
The American President has given Israel an "amber light" to start preparing for a possible offensive, the official told the Sunday Times.
"Amber means get on with your preparations, stand by for immediate attack and tell us when you're ready," the official as quoted as saying toThe Times.
The US President'svoice of support comes despitehis military officials' opposition to an attack on Iran, given the risks of an aerial strike.
However, theUS would not deploy American forces for such a strike nor would Israel be able to depend onits military bases in Iraq for logistical support, the official said.
Washington would also not give a "green light" to the attack without unquestionable proof thatthe Islamic Republic is involved in military preparations of its own, the report said.
Iran last week test launched a series of medium-range ballistic missiles it claimed were capable of striking Israel.
The tests prompted a threatening message from Israel defence minister Ehud Barak, who said that the Jewish state will not hesitate from taking military action against Tehran. PTI
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http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisit...4A?OpenDocument |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
US funds trains and arm Israeili terrorists. |
No, but we do fund and train terrorists inside Iran. |
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| Sunsnail |
| Who the cites a hollywood movie as a source? |
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