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Bouncing tracks in FL is a royal headache
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| B_man |
It's been a while since I've produced anything...
I'm trying to use FL as though it were Cubase: freezing tracks to free up CPU overhead. I have higher demands on my instruments than in the past... therefore I do much more layering, processing, etc.
I have a bass-part composed of:
1. Linplug's Octopus (Lowers part: compressed on the same track WITH the kick)
2. V-Station (mid-part: some chorus / EQ + comrpessed, no-sub frequenies)
3. Sample (some stereo width / EQ) (Doesn't appear until 0:08, no sub-frequencies)
Using ZShare...
This is the track:
trance_2008.mp3 - 0.33MB
This is the track after I tried to render the basslines to a seperate .wav file:
trance_2008_bounced.mp3 - 0.33MB
As you can see... the bounced audio sounds terrible. I have gone over and over the problem and I have not touched the master track. It sounds like the lower frequencies are rolled off on the second track -- like the volume with the Octopus bass part has been lowered or silenced.
I have wondered if it is because of the lack of kick drum effecting the compression on the track that the Octopus synth sits on (the lowest synth). Could that be the cause? |
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| davidbuhau |
i remember having to do this! heh
in the days of low cpu power and cool synths (as when NI absynth 1.3 came out)
but i never had a problem such as the one you are mentioning...
are you rendering them all together or as separate tracks? i NEVER "bounce" several sounds together...
do you have dithering on (if so, TURN IT OFF)
are you running them thru any sends?
david |
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| B_man |
Thanks for the reply.
Well... as soon as I have time, I'm going to try it again without the dithering. I'll have to read-up on the practicalities of dithering so that I can understand its use better.
Unfortunately, my producing days are cut below satisfaction because of classes starting up again... arg... |
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| cybernetica |
i know how you feel and Ive been facing the same problem. yes, bouncing audio in FL sucks.
The only way to make sure is to turn off the effects you dont want. For example if you have a synth layer that goes to a shared FX channel, disable the FX on that track, render to wav, import the wav file as audio clip, assign that audio clip to the channel the synth was in, and remove your synth vst from the track.
your problem could be something else, as if you have some unwanted automation, something is reducing your low frequencies. check the initialized controls (left side, in the browser: current project-> automation). and if you didnt find it check the automation for every channel.
If you have found the source was one of your eqs or filters, you can set a default value. for example, if you got a highpass filtersweep somewhere it could be that the filter doesnt go back to cutoff 0. To prevent this go to the filter, tweak the cutoff you want to have when theres no automation telling FL otherwise, go to the plugin menu just like u would do when creating automation clips, then choose last tweaked parameter -> "init song with this position".
hope it helped. |
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| B_man |
Thanks, cybernetica...
I have a shared FX channel with my lowest bass part... with the kick drum. It's a pain, but I'm going to have to seperate the tracks into multiple parts... what a pain! It's practically not worth it for the little time I have to spend on it.
However, all of your input was supportive or enlightening. |
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| davidbuhau |
every time i find myself having to export my synth lines, i build a new daw machine, i hate to interrupt my workflow this way
david |
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| B_man |
I wish I had the money to build a new DAW machine.
While I've picked the bass parts till I'm blue in the face, I've made a solution. The bass is actually the least of my worries.
I have a Vanguard patch I made for strings that takes up almost 50% of my CPU... 50%!!! (Thank you VCS) The main percussion and bass take up a measily 30% in comparison. I'm starting to be a miser when it comes to electron flow because of my resources.
It's going to be more justifiable to bounce everything else instead of throwing the bass parts along with it. This is especially true of it being a layered instrument.
Layered instruments + bouncing = migrane...
Unfortunately, When I sampled the synth string, I did so by octaves. The problem is that there is a LFO on the strings filter that has a terrible offsetting effect when sampled on non-indigenous notes. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Maybe its just me but after you do it enough you develop little shortcuts and it goes pretty quick.
All you have to do is click 3 times and type a name for the mixer.
Or if you wanna an instabounce put the pattern in, press record. Its 2 clicks and jumps straight from pattern to playlist. Takes like 2 seconds at most. |
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