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China taking over Africa? (pg. 3)
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| Krypton |
| If the African businesses were more competitive, they wouldn't be having a problem now would they? It's called global market competition, globalization, they can't escape, so they need to adapt, grow some balls, stop fighting amongst each other, and start acting like civilized nations. Look at Zimbabwe. Their central bank doesn't even know what inflation is. Some central bank they have. Zimbabwe has rolled back to the 1950's as far as I'm concerned. |
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| Lilith |
Thats very easy to say sitting in a developed country with the largest economy on earth that hasn't had a civil war lately. Look back to the wreck of a colony that the US was prior and after its civil war and you have some understanding of the social mechanics at work- especially when one country invades another.
In the majority of African countries the people endemic to the country where just pushed down the rung of lower class labourers as colonial powers muscled their way in. Put their own government in place to run the country and there just simply wasn't any way as a black african you could aspire anything more than at best, paid labour.
Most where kept as serfs and indentured labourers.
After the colonies pulled out, they took all their infrastructure with them from the government all the way down to the public services and in a lot of cases there is either-
A group put in place to manage and maybe do a half-ass job of it
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A power vacuum where the strongest rule after the chaos and do a half-ass job of it
African's aren't any different to anyone else, provided they have an opportunity to work, live and survive unmolested, but they haven't. In the few quiet decades they have you do get people like my biological father's descendants who where Indian's and Malays brought over to do manual, trained labour and stayed in Africa after the colonies moved out for a multitude of reasons not wanting to go back to India. They formed a minority middle class running businesses and did fairly well for themselves in some countries on a scale comparable to anywhere else in the world.
Course if things go to hell, there is no central bank to bail them out like in the US where they'll just happily pour money on a problem of an economic melt-down, it just keeps spiralling out of control until the place tears itself apart under ethnic tensions, anti-government forces and general disenchantment with the way things are done.
So often we read here of some yank with his crotch in one hand and a gun in the other wanking on about how prepared he's going to be if the government impinges on his rights/wages/civil liberties he's gunna put a cap in someone's arse.
Are you American so different?
Yes you are, unlike in the US where guns are a showpiece, protection from each other and some kind of personal compensation, guns in Africa are used for better or worse in the support of what an individual or group has left to them when there is no other options.
Unlike in the US, they are actually used for the purpose of those options far more frequently than anyone would like but sometimes have to.
Unlike the US, who sells their surplus military weapons along with Russia and China in bulk, by the hundreds of tons every year to Africans rather than selling them tractors, power stations, telecommunications, farming implements and educational infrastructure.
Yet you sit so happy in the superpower dreamland where you'll never have to fight for anything more than a line up at an Apple store for some new ipod. And have the nerve to be so smug about having never done any harm personally?
Your schools and countries infrastructure rely on big arms sales as much as it does anything else and are used to maim and kill people in the African continent quite effectively and the less said about constant interferences over the last 6 decades by US forces the better. But lets just say, the US has its own puppets over there who it turns a blind eye to their atrocities and abuses provided they stay pro-US with extensive military training and weaponry.
Pro US, just like you. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
Bravo Lilith... this is why you should stick around PDD. :)
Have you ever read any Walter Rodney by any chance? |
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| Lilith |
| No I'm just an ordinary person, not an academic... things run happier around here when I'm not here! |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Yet you sit so happy in the superpower dreamland where you'll never have to fight for anything more than a line up at an Apple store for some new ipod. And have the nerve to be so smug about having never done any harm personally?
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Didn't you hear about The New World Map???
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| LazFX |
If you want a real close look at Africa.....maybe download it for your iPhone..... ha ha ha Kitten Has Claws ;) )
Check out Darwin's Nightmare
a real good docu that will allow you to see how hard it really is over there ...
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In the 1950s or 1960s, the Nile perch was released into the Lake Victoria. In just a few decades, the large, voracious predator has all but eliminated the other species of fish, turning the lake into an ecological wasteland. "But economically, it's good" -- and indeed, perch fillet is Tanzania's best selling export to Europe. Fishermen, factory workers, civil servants, pilots of cargo aircrafts, delegates of the European Commission, communities living around Lake Victoria: plenty of people are involved in some way in this new industry. But if Africa exports hundreds of tons of premium-priced fish each day, what exactly do Africans get in return?
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424024/plotsummary
Don't know if its on youtube..... |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
No I'm just an ordinary person, not an academic... things run happier around here when I'm not here! |
Yeah, but you bring a perspective nobody else here can match.
I do think you would enjoy Walter Rodney though.
| quote: | "The question as to who, and what, is responsible for African underdevelopment can be answered at two levels. Firstly, the answer is that the operation of the imperialist system bears major responsibility for African economic retardation by draining African wealth and by making it impossible to develop more rapidly the resources of the continent. Secondly, one has to deal with those who manipulated the system and those who are either agents or unwitting accomplices of the said system. The capitalists of Western Europe were the ones who actively extended their exploitation from inside Europe to cover the whole of Africa. In recent times, they were joined, and to some extent replaced, by the capitalists from the United States; and for many yearsnow even the workers of those metropolitan countries have benefited from the exploitation and underdevelopment of Africa." (27-28)
"None of these remarks are intended to remove the ultimate responsibility for development from the shoulders of Africans. Not only are there African accomplices inside the imperialist system, but every African has a responsibility to understand the system and work for its overthrow." (28) |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Eu...eveloped_Africa |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
Didn't you hear about The New World Map???
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Africa is missing..:conf: |
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| Scottaculous |
| I wonder what Chinese food taste like in Africa. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
Africa is missing..:conf: |
a ref to Lillith's post.... the Ipod?? the perceived American Viewpoint of the world... do you understand... the reason why there is no Africa? from the photo? |
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| Zild |
| Seems fairly obvious to me. |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Seems fairly obvious to me. |
What, that map? |
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