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Vietnam - The Cheaper China (pg. 3)
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| Magnetonium |
Q, honestly, I really recommend you reading more into the Cambodian-Vietnamese War. Then you'll realize exactly just how "Maoist" Vietnam's Viet Coong was. Cambodia's Khmer Rouge was Maoist. But Viet Cong wasnt. There's a reason why Chinese army invaded north Vietnam after Vietnamese forces run over Khmer Rouge regulars ;)
Besides, it was Cambodia's arrogance that resulted in the eventual Vietnamese invasion - Pol Pot attacked first! Look it up - who invaded Phu Quoc and Tho Chu islands? ;) |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
Do some Americans still defend the Vietnam War?
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Do some Americans still defend the Vietnam War?
ing hilarious. |
Hehe, I was reading this thread, thinking the exact same thing.
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
do you actually know anything about the vietnam war? being unpopular doesn't mean it was without just cause. |
Me being so uneducated and all, could you please tell me the "cause" that justified the Vietnam war? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Do some Americans still defend the Vietnam War?
ing hilarious. |
That really is beyond me. Even though South Vietnam was a corrupt right wing government, and America had no business in Vietnam's civil war. It doesn't matter to these people. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Do some Americans still defend the Vietnam War?
ing hilarious. |
how am i defending the Vietnam war? |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
That really is beyond me. Even though South Vietnam was a corrupt right wing government, and America had no business in Vietnam's civil war. It doesn't matter to these people. |
it's hypocrisy at its best. As an historian, I find it interesting that many Americans go on about European nation's past colonialism yet they are essentially the main western imperialist nation and have been since WW2. It's just imperialism in a more modern form.
Eisenhower was an interesting guy. He condemned the British and French for trying to take back the Suez Canal in 1956 when Nasser closed it off, but then he was all for American interference in Vietnam. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
it's hypocrisy at its best. As an historian, I find it interesting that many Americans go on about European nation's past colonialism yet they are essentially the main western imperialist nation and have been since WW2. It's just imperialism in a more modern form.
Eisenhower was an interesting guy. He condemned the British and French for trying to take back the Suez Canal in 1956 when Nasser closed it off, but then he was all for American interference in Vietnam. |
Here's the difference. Nassar nationalized the Suez Canal. A LEFTIST action. Vietnam's LEFTIST revolution threatened a RIGHT WING government that couldn't even support itself without foreign intervention. We could also look at the Nicaraguan Civil War. Even though the people overwhelming supported a left wing leadership, the CIA gave support to the RIGHT WING Contras who are guilty of massacres and other war crimes. Just as long as they're right wingers, war aggression/intervention/war crimes is A OK! The Baathist Party of Iraq? Socialist to the core. Iran? Certainly not more leftist than the Iraqi Baath Party, but certainly no liberal capitalist economy. It's been socialists versus capitalists, and it still is today! |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
well personally I don't see a reason why democratic nations can't be both capitalist and socialist. Canada is a good example of a free market with strong social programs and we're doing ok right now. Just like the US though, we're losing all those high paying manufacturing jobs as we convert to a service economy (ugh) but I dont understand why socialism is such an evil word in the United States!
You're right about Nasser closing off the Suez being a leftist action, but the justification for Ike's stance against it was that it was more imperialist interfering on Britain and France's part (which it certainly was), while Vietnam was essentially the same thing |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
well personally I don't see a reason why democratic nations can't be both capitalist and socialist. Canada is a good example of a free market with strong social programs and we're doing ok right now. Just like the US though, we're losing all those high paying manufacturing jobs as we convert to a service economy (ugh) but I dont understand why socialism is such an evil word in the United States!
You're right about Nasser closing off the Suez being a leftist action, but the justification for Ike's stance against it was that it was more imperialist interfering on Britain and France's part (which it certainly was), while Vietnam was essentially the same thing |
Here in America, during the Cold War, ESPECIALLY the 1950's, propaganda greatly instilled a sense of fear of "socialism" and "leftists", as communists who wanted to overthrow the government. Since then, there is this sub-conscience fear of anything thought of as "socialist". SOCIALIZED MEDICINE...Oooooooo Oh noooooez!!! I think it's a ploy by the insurance corporations to scare people away from it. They don't want to socialize medicine, but they want to socialize tens of BILLIONS of dollars worth of financial losses by banks run wild! Hypocrisy is ripe in contemporary conservatism. (Emphasis on contemporary) |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Me being so uneducated and all, could you please tell me the "cause" that justified the Vietnam war? |
i'll take you for your word about being uneducated since i wasn't even talking to you.
anyway, here it goes: communists in the north and sympathizers in the south engaging in an armed struggle against the legitimate government of the south. the south vietnamese government requested help from the americans. that is a justification regardless of your position on the matter. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
i'll take you for your word about being uneducated since i wasn't even talking to you.
anyway, here it goes: communists in the north and sympathizers in the south engaging in an armed struggle against the legitimate government of the south. the south vietnamese government requested help from the americans. that is a justification regardless of your position on the matter. |
yeah, i tend to agree. the US' behaviour whilst in vietnam is another matter entirely of course.
you don't hear too many people complaining about evil western imperialism in the korean war. perhaps it just feels too rude to do so in the face of (regular) north korean famine? |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yeah, i tend to agree. the US' behaviour whilst in vietnam is another matter entirely of course.
you don't hear too many people complaining about evil western imperialism in the korean war. perhaps it just feels too rude to do so in the face of (regular) north korean famine? |
it amazes me how many people have a severe inability to make these distinctions. i don't agree with the decision to fight with the south vietnamese, however, that doesn't mean there wasn't a justification for doing so. |
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