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| Krypton |
The loons have made their arrival..
| quote: | Man held in Fla. on charge of threatening Obama
By CURT ANDERSON, AP Legal Affairs Writer 23 minutes ago
MIAMI - A man who authorities said was keeping weapons and military-style gear in his hotel room and car appeared in court Thursday on charges he threatened to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Raymond Hunter Geisel, 22, was arrested by the Secret Service on Saturday in Miami and was ordered held at Miami's downtown detention center without bail Thursday by a federal magistrate.
A Secret Service affidavit charges that Geisel made the threat during a training class for bail bondsmen in Miami in late July. According to someone else in the 48-member class, Geisel allegedly referred to Obama with a racial epithet and continued, "If he gets elected, I'll assassinate him myself."
Obama was most recently in Florida on Aug. 1-2 but did not visit the South Florida area.
Another person in the class quoted Geisel as saying that "he hated George W. Bush and that he wanted to put a bullet in the president's head," according to the Secret Service.
Geisel denied in a written statement to a Secret Service agent that he ever made those threats, and the documents don't indicate that he ever took steps to carry out any assassination. He was charged only with threatening Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, but not for any threat against President Bush.
Geisel's court-appointed attorney declined comment.
In the interview with a Secret Service agent, Geisel said "if he wanted to kill Senator Obama he simply would shoot him with a sniper rifle, but then he claimed that he was just joking," according to court documents.
A search of Geisel's 1998 Ford Explorer and hotel room in Miami uncovered a loaded 9mm handgun, knives, dozens of rounds of ammunition including armor-piercing types, body armor, military-style fatigues and a machete. The SUV was wired with flashing red and yellow emergency lights.
Geisel told the Secret Service he was originally from Bangor, Maine, and had been living recently in a houseboat in the Florida Keys town of Marathon, according to court documents. He said he used the handgun for training for the bail bondsman class, had the knives for protection and used the machete to cut brush in Maine.
In the affidavit, the Secret Service said Geisel told agents that he suffered from psychiatric problems including post-traumatic stress disorder, but he couldn't provide the names of any facilities where he sought treatment. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Typical.
Some random guy threatens The Annointed One and the knee-jerk reaction is he's right-wing? :rolleyes: |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Typical.
Some random guy threatens The Annointed One and the knee-jerk reaction is he's right-wing? :rolleyes: |
I dunno what he was. He threatened to assassinate George Bush too. But the guy who shot up a Universalist Church a couple weeks ago did it because of "a hatred of liberals". When they searched his house, they found books by Michael Savage and Sean Hannity. Michael Savage is one who says, "Liberalism is a mental disorder." "A disease." "A sickness." Mr. Savage also says children with autism are "faking it."
Someone was bound to respond to the rhetoric. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I dunno what he was. He threatened to assassinate George Bush too. But the guy who shot up a Universalist Church a couple weeks ago did it because of "a hatred of liberals". When they searched his house, they found books by Michael Savage and Sean Hannity. Michael Savage is one who says, "Liberalism is a mental disorder." "A disease." "A sickness." Mr. Savage also says children with autism are "faking it."
Someone was bound to respond to the rhetoric. |
I think you may be trying to connect dots that don't connect... |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I think you may be trying to connect dots that don't connect... |
Well, Mr. O'Reilly likes to blame Ludacris and Marilyn Manson for a perceived decline in morality. But I'm not allowed to implicate them when some lunatic goes buck wild on their ideology? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Well, Mr. O'Reilly likes to blame Ludacris and Marilyn Manson for a perceived decline in morality. But I'm not allowed to implicate them when some lunatic goes buck wild on their ideology? |
Would anyone want to base a judgment with that kind of juxtaposition? :haha: |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Would anyone want to base a judgment with that kind of juxtaposition? :haha: |
Yes and they do. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Typical.
Some random guy threatens The Annointed One and the knee-jerk reaction is he's right-wing? :rolleyes: |
Err, I don't think so. You should listen to some of the people here in Texas say just because he's black, doesn't sound terribly different from the thread title... and I'm not kidding btw. The last thing we need is some random shooting a President. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Err, I don't think so. You should listen to some of the people here in Texas say just because he's black, doesn't sound terribly different from the thread title... and I'm not kidding btw. The last thing we need is some random shooting a President. |
Heh, one of my co-workers told me she was not even consider Obama because of his name...:p The right can deny it all they want, a lot of them would never ever consider someone for president who looked or sounded different the norm. That really is the nature of conservatism. The desire for things to remain as they traditionally have been. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
That really is the nature of conservatism. The desire for things to remain as they traditionally have been. |
actually, the nature of traditional conservatism involves the principle that changes to society should be measured and incremental. slow and steady - even cautious - on the road to reform. also factor in a certain degree of "nanny-state" from a social perspective, combined with liberalism from an economics standpoint.
the term has been hijacked in the US to mean god knows what. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
actually, the nature of traditional conservatism involves the principle that changes to society should be measured and incremental. slow and steady - even cautious - on the road to reform. also factor in a certain degree of "nanny-state" from a social perspective, combined with liberalism from an economics standpoint.
the term has been hijacked in the US to mean god knows what. |
It also means that. But more than anything, it is a reverence for traditional values, or some "golden age" when everything was seemingly perfect.. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
the knee-jerk reaction is he's right-wing? :rolleyes: |
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keeping weapons and military-style gear |
do the math ;) |
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