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advices , opinions welcome.....(law school related) (pg. 3)
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| trunks1022 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pickles
I wouldn't even put forth the investment unless it was a top 10 of a T1 school.
Debt to income ratios of anything but and you're screwing yourself.
Anyone telling you differently just never got in.
Study the past decade of US News and World Report rankings. There's a reason you see very little flux.
Why not move to the US region you want to practice in first?
You're crazy. Stay in Paris. |
i think that's a little flawed. big firms in large cities know that local law schools do a great job educating students too. not everyone goes to the top tier, yet they still make a name for themselves. |
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| CranberryJuice |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pickles
I assume you're young.No offense, but FIFTH year? Jesus christ, I already smell a burnout. Take a year off, travel around the US.
Or... just stay in Paris. |
to complete uni in europe it takes 5 years since we go til the master.
so no burnout at all....
:rolleyes:
just normal |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pickles
I assume you're young.No offense, but FIFTH year? Jesus christ, I already smell a burnout. Take a year off, travel around the US.
Or... just stay in Paris. |
In Scotland to become an engineer you need at the very min 5 years uni and then you've done a broad MEng rather than a BSc(Hons)/BEng(Hons) and targeted MSc as most do.
Then takes another 3 years of training after that to get chartered. So say on average 9 years.
Dunno how it works in the US though, but is similar throughout Europe. If you do a wishy-washy arts degree can be in and out in 3 years though, but they are worthless really (in very general terms). |
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| Pickles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
For a dream, Marie, 3 years and three hundred dollars are almost nothing
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... but crippling debt and a newly blackened liver.
:disbelief |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
If you do a wishy-washy arts degree can be in and out in 3 years though, but they are worthless really (in very general terms). |
Agreed.
Liberal arts education is a bunch of crap.
[And I say that as a person who majored in a liberal arts subject.] |
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| Pickles |
| quote: | Originally posted by trunks1022
make a name for themselves. |
Nevermind that when you've got 300K in loans. I'm just trying to be realistic. Why would a Chicago firm (I'm speaking Biglaw) choose a grad from a 4t school who finished at the 10% of his class at Cooley, over even a grad who finished in the top 20% at Ivy? Look at the stats. The average salary of grads differ dramatically amongst T1,T2,T3 and T4 schools. Cost and location are obvious variables to take into consideration.
Law was appealing until my best mate graduated from a fourth tier in the midwest. It took him 6 months to find a job, as he was competing with those from WashU-St.Louis, Chicago, etc. Guess his starting salary :wtf: & his monthly loan payments :wtf: I couldn't do it. Even more props to those who can endure the field long enough for the salary to finally pay off. He says 'it'll take a lifetime, but be worth it in the end.' wtf does that even mean? :stongue:
sorry, im just bitter. I lost my best poker mate.. |
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| Pickles |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Agreed.
Liberal arts education is a bunch of crap.
[And I say that as a person who majored in a liberal arts subject.] |
I say the same, Jive and Derv. [me too]. So don't listen to me, Cranberries.
But do when I say stay in Paris. Best of luck in whatever you choose! |
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| BoReD365247 |
The Bar is not going to be a walk in the park as even most American law students suffer with it. The hardest transition for you will be going from a civil law country to a common law country and learning all those rules (which are the concentration of the bar). If possible I would see if you could take some Common law based classes there in France as electives to get your feet wet with the legal system and how it works then come get the LLM in the states. I believe the LLM is 1-2 years which is not much more than the 5 years you've already done.
As far as the LSAT goes, a lot depends on if you are a good standardized test taker. If you are a good one then get some self taught manuals and just practice and you should be fine. I've heard good things about the PowerScore books. Unfortunately I'm not that great at them so I took prep course with Princeton Review which was helpful but I didn't do the assigned homework so I didn't see that great of an improvement. Definitely needed some more dedication on my part. |
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| Arbiter |
What kind of law do you want to practice in the states?
I would definitely try to find a way to make the LLM work if you can, but either way you should be aware that U.S. law schools charge very high tuition, and which law school you attend can have an extremely significant impact on your career, depending upon your goals.
I took the LSAT last December and received the highest possible score. As far as preparation goes, I used only official prep tests -- no books or courses. That said, the test came pretty naturally to me, so I wouldn't expect my methods to work for everyone. You definitely don't want to settle for anything less than your best on the LSAT, because not only is it the most important criterion for admissions to good schools, but a high score may also mitigate the expense of attending law school, as many schools will offer substantial scholarship funds to students with outstanding scores.
If you have any other questions I will try to answer them for you, but I am quite busy as I am starting school very soon, so I can't promise you a prompt response. |
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| Dervish |
| Arbiter serious ^5 on that score! |
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| Renzo |
I went to law school. Although I didn't study for the LSAT, so I might not be the best source of advice. I did well on it, though.
Law school teaches you a lot. And it helped bring my cockiness to a whole 'nother level. Good times all around. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by CranberryJuice
i dont want to make any mistakes that is all |
Ne c'est pas possible, Marie. Even if you don't do anything at all, that could be a mistake as well. A life without mistakes is a life without learning! :gsmile: ;) |
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