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Bull-fighting: Disgusting or Part of Culture?
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| jploveparade |
I think it's sick!
What is cultural about letting a bull slowly die?
I believe (because the Spanish/Mexicans wont stop bull-fighting) it would be best to adapt the 'game' to the 21th century:
Isn't it possible to drug the bull instead of piercing him with spears, so the animal will still be 'angry' but in the end the animal survives?
What's your opinion? |
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| uwmadtrance |
It's been part of their culture and traditions forever, much like the running of the bulls or the tomato throwing, etc ... they aren't just going to change it because it isn't 'PC' (if it was America, it would be a different story. PETA would be all up on their ass and it would've been gone a long time ago). I don't disagree with it as it is part of their culture, and they are entitled to it (trust me, I could divulge on a lot more shocking traditions other cultures have).
my $.02 |
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| TranceGiant |
I agree, it is a part of their culture, a very important one. I wouldnt dare to d´judge them without knowing their perspective. They see with with totally different eyes, its not about watching a bull get stabbed but a very philosophical thing. The fight against the evil..bla bla..it has histroical referrences as well..and has a lot to do with aesthtetics and stuff.
let them continue their traditions. :thepirate |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | | The fight against the evil..bla bla..it has histroical referrences as well.. |
hehehehehehe.. :wtf: |
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| Dmatrox |
Whats bull fighting? ive never seen this before.
But ive heard of fighting, from what i can tell, this is horrible |
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| DJ NEILSON |
| its wrong, but im not arsed about it. |
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| Tranex02 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dmatrox
Whats bull fighting? ive never seen this before.
But ive heard of fighting, from what i can tell, this is horrible |
i'm surprised you never heard of it...
you ever heard the expression TORO !! :p
anyway, here's an excerpt:
"Six bulls, to be killed by three matadors, are usually required for one afternoon's corrida, and each encounter lasts about 15 minutes. At the appointed time, generally 5 PM, the three matadors, each followed by their assistants, the banderilleros and the picadors, march into the ring to the accompaniment of traditional paso doble (“march rhythm”) music. The matadors (the term toreador, popularized by the French opera Carmen, is erroneous usage) are the stars of the show. They wear a distinctive costume, consisting of a silk jacket heavily embroidered in gold, skintight trousers, and a montera (a bicorne hat). A traje de luces (“suit of lights”), as it is known, can cost several thousand pounds; a top matador must have at least six of them a season.
When a bull first comes into the arena out of the toril, or bull pen gate, the matador greets it with a series of manoeuvres, or passes, with a large cape; these passes are usually verónicas, the basic cape manoeuvre (named after the woman who held out a cloth to Christ on his way to the crucifixion).
The amount of applause the matador receives is based on his proximity to the horns of the bull, his tranquillity in the face of danger, and his grace in swinging the cape in front of an infuriated animal weighing more than 460 kg (1,000 lb). The bull instinctively goes for the cloth because it is a large, moving target, not because of its colour; bulls are colour-blind and charge just as readily at the inside of the cape, which is yellow.
Fighting bulls charge instantly at anything that moves because of their natural instinct and centuries of special breeding. Unlike domestic bulls, they do not have to be trained to charge, nor are they starved or tortured to make them savage. Those animals selected for the corrida are allowed to live a year longer than those assigned to the slaughterhouse. Bulls to be fought by novilleros (beginners) are supposed to be three years old and those fought by full matadors are supposed to be at least four.
The second part of the corrida consists of the work of the picadors, bearing lances and mounted on horses (padded in compliance with a ruling passed in 1930 and therefore rarely injured). The picadors wear flat-brimmed, beige felt hats called castoreños, silver-embroidered jackets, chamois trousers, and steel leg armour. After three lancings or less, depending on the judgment of the president of the corrida for that day, a trumpet blows, and the banderilleros, working on foot, advance to place their banderillas (brightly adorned, barbed sticks) in the bull's shoulders in order to lower its head for the eventual kill. They wear costumes similar to those of their matadors but their jackets and trousers are embroidered in silver.
After the placing of the banderillas, a trumpet sounds signalling the last phase of the fight. Although the bull has been weakened and slowed, it has also become warier during the course of the fight, sensing that behind the cape is its true enemy; most gorings occur at this time. The serge cloth of the muleta is draped over the estoque, and the matador begins what is called the faena, the last act of the bullfight. The aficionados (ardent fans) study the matador's every move, the ballet-like passes practised since childhood. (Most matadors come from bullfighting families and learn their art when very young.) As with every manoeuvre in the ring, the emphasis is on the ability to increase but control the personal danger, maintaining the balance between suicide and mere survival. In other words, the real contest is not between the matador and an animal; it is the matador's internal struggle.
The basic muleta passes are the trincherazo, generally done with one knee on the ground and at the beginning of the faena; the pase de la firma, simply moving the cloth in front of the bull's nose while the fighter remains motionless; the manoletina, a pass invented by the great Spanish matador Manolete (Manuel Laureano Rodríguez Sánchez), where the muleta is held behind the body; and the natural, a pass in which danger to the matador is increased by taking the sword out of the muleta, thereby reducing the target size and tempting the bull to charge at the larger object—the bullfighter.
After several minutes spent in making these passes, wherein the matador tries to stimulate the excitement of the crowd by working closer and closer to the horns, the fighter takes the sword and lines up the bull for the kill. The blade must go between the shoulder blades; because the space between them is very small, it is imperative that the front feet of the bull be together as the matador hurtles over the horns. The kill, properly done by aiming straight over the bull's horns and plunging the sword between its withers into the aorta region, requires discipline, training, and raw courage; for this reason it is known as the “moment of truth”.
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It's sad to watch tho.... |
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| jinxed84 |
i havent really thought about it much...i mean...i eat hamburgers..who would i be to complain about bullfighting :whip: ...i would feel like a hypocrite.... i wouldnt call it the coolest thing in the world, killing animals and all...but i eat hamburgers
so ill keep my mouth shut |
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| Orbax |
| screw culture. This is morality we are talking about. Moral progress is something that is worked for. So yes, it would be a step towards becoming a more moral nation. Just because we might consider it wrong doesnt mean we are the people judging it. We are merely the ones applying an action to the stratified superstructure of morality and seeing how it fits in. Anyone may do this. People "justify" it by saying something worse could happen if they didnt die like this. They get to live longer. So you are asking to choose between two evils. Why not abolish both brutal ways? Life can be more painful than death in many ways, so prolonging its life may very well be more cruel than cutting it short. No person would want to die that way period, so why force that upon lesser creatures? They think and feel, and the last moments of their life are nothing but rage and terror. There is a reason why the rest of the civilized world doesnt participate in public slaughter for enjoyment. Its twisted. The whole point of it is to make the matador look cool. He wants respect. He wants to be prideful. Its like a serial killer who kills to get a hard on, but this emotionally and socially stimulates them, so its even more addictive. I think their aggressive energies should be spent lifting themselves out of a terrible economy instead of killing stuff. |
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| uwmadtrance |
No culture can judge another cultures morals and/or values and/or traditions from their own perspective. I learned about it in anthropology (I forget the correct term for it). Our perspectives on what they believe are completely warped and we cannot relate to what they do.
You could sit around all day and criticize cultures that demean women and treat them like crap, etc ... or worship cows for that matter ... but its useless. |
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| Dmatrox |
| before you posted that tranex, i thought bull fighting was when two bulls are going at it, ya know, like fighting...:rolleyes: both are sad. |
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