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| otec |
http://www.gazeta.ru/column/gevorkyan/2830293.shtml
To all those "adepts" who after watching lousy CNN/BBC/FOX or reading reports by biased and the US sponsored HRW tell here that Kremlin controls all the Russian media.
It's in Russian. If you don't read Russian, then I tell you to shut up and off, 'cause you don't have a fancy idea of what is going on in this country.
The Western coverage is very biased.
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The article is from a mainstream newspaper called "Gazeta". |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by otec
http://www.gazeta.ru/column/gevorkyan/2830293.shtml
To all those "adepts" who after watching lousy CNN/BBC/FOX or reading reports by biased and the US sponsored HRW tell here that Kremlin controls all the Russian media.
It's in Russian. If you don't read Russian, then I tell you to shut up and off, 'cause you don't have a fancy idea of what is going on in this country.
The Western coverage is very biased.
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The article is from a mainstream newspaper called "Gazeta". |
I thought this topic was already discussed a few weeks ago. I'll check out the article anyway. It may not be "controlled" 100% explicitly, but implicitly, if you are a bigtime critic, you best be sleeping with one eye open son! :nervous: |
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| otec |
yeah, right, "discussed".
I showed you another example a new topic by a new author.
But, all I see from you is just a bunch of words saying "controlled" "controlled" "controlled". By whom and how?
Explain me please based on this newspaper example.
Every article I read there (and I read it on a daily basis) shows a strong critic of current regime in Russia. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| i'm sure the russian right to freedom of speech and press is far greater than that in america :rolleyes: |
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| otec |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
i'm sure the russian right to freedom of speech and press is far greater than that in america :rolleyes: |
No one tries to compare the US and Russia right to freedom of speech.
All I'm trying to say here is that THERE ARE MEDIA in Russia that ARE CRITICIZING the current government.
It means not all medias are under control of it. The mainstream channels/medias like RBC/ORT/RTR/NTV are under influence of Kremlin, but there are thousands of others that aren't. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by otec
No one tries to compare the US and Russia right to freedom of speech.
All I'm trying to say here is that THERE ARE MEDIA in Russia that ARE CRITICIZING the current government.
It means not all medias are under control of it. The mainstream channels/medias like RBC/ORT/RTR/NTV are under influence of Kremlin, but there are thousands of others that aren't. |
i wasn't either - you are just boasting about russian rights at the same time you are knocking US rights. |
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| otec |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
i wasn't either - you are just boasting about russian rights at the same time you are knocking US rights. |
The world is not perfect.
I'm just pissed when some stupid US rights watch dog publishes an idiotic report on Russia's Human Rights record saying there is no freedom of speech there. |
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| The17sss |
| I haven't read it yet man, my "official translator" is out of town for another week. I'll get back to you after I get it done |
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| aNYthing |
There's a good story from Russian pop history. Back in 60/70's there was a russian singer - Vladimir Vysotsky. He was a bard, notorious for his often quite double-meaning lyrics, criticizing Soviet Government. So much so, that his music was banned for some time. However, there is a story that at some point he was invited 1-on-1 to sing some of his songs to the head of KGB, Beriya - and the song he was asked to sing was one of his more controversial ones. His family and friends were sure he'd never come back from that visit or be heard from again. However, he came back and they even allowed most of his songs to be played on radio, TV even starred in a movie. Why? Because that was Soviet's way to say - "see, we have freedom of speech. we do not oppress those who are critical of us".
Same now - some media outlets are allowed to be critical of the government, as long as they don't get involved in sensitive areas - e.g. how much did Putin steal from his people, how much the officials are dependent on bribes, etc. Russia, regardless of the ruler in charge, has always been an empire. As the saying goes, the Russian borders stopped where it wanted them to stop. Now, the sleeping bear is awakening from slumber and going back to what it knows best. Meanwhile, generations of Russians who still remember what it was like to live with subsidies and have the government guarantee certain things to you are hoping this will come back again. Hence an accepted mentality that's back in vogue - we'd rather be slaves and fed than free and starving. Plus it's nice to settle scores by showing national pride. ", we didn't win in Euro Cup.. Oh well, at least we can be proud of kicking ass of some imaginary enemy." how heroic. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
There's a good story from Russian pop history. Back in 60/70's there was a russian singer - Vladimir Vysotsky. He was a bard, notorious for his often quite double-meaning lyrics, criticizing Soviet Government. So much so, that his music was banned for some time. However, there is a story that at some point he was invited 1-on-1 to sing some of his songs to the head of KGB, Beriya - and the song he was asked to sing was one of his more controversial ones. His family and friends were sure he'd never come back from that visit or be heard from again. However, he came back and they even allowed most of his songs to be played on radio, TV even starred in a movie. Why? Because that was Soviet's way to say - "see, we have freedom of speech. we do not oppress those who are critical of us".
Same now - some media outlets are allowed to be critical of the government, as long as they don't get involved in sensitive areas - e.g. how much did Putin steal from his people, how much the officials are dependent on bribes, etc. Russia, regardless of the ruler in charge, has always been an empire. As the saying goes, the Russian borders stopped where it wanted them to stop. Now, the sleeping bear is awakening from slumber and going back to what it knows best. Meanwhile, generations of Russians who still remember what it was like to live with subsidies and have the government guarantee certain things to you are hoping this will come back again. Hence an accepted mentality that's back in vogue - we'd rather be slaves and fed than free and starving. Plus it's nice to settle scores by showing national pride. ", we didn't win in Euro Cup.. Oh well, at least we can be proud of kicking ass of some imaginary enemy." how heroic. |
:haha: :haha: :haha: Beriya (Lavrentiy Beria) was executed in 1953! :haha: :haha: :haha:
I admire your effort, but you try too hard to make it funny. |
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| otec |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
Same now - some media outlets are allowed to be critical of the government, as long as they don't get involved in sensitive areas - e.g. how much did Putin steal from his people, how much the officials are dependent on bribes, etc. Russia, regardless of the ruler in charge, has always been an empire. As the saying goes, the Russian borders stopped where it wanted them to stop. Now, the sleeping bear is awakening from slumber and going back to what it knows best. Meanwhile, generations of Russians who still remember what it was like to live with subsidies and have the government guarantee certain things to you are hoping this will come back again. Hence an accepted mentality that's back in vogue - we'd rather be slaves and fed than free and starving. Plus it's nice to settle scores by showing national pride. ", we didn't win in Euro Cup.. Oh well, at least we can be proud of kicking ass of some imaginary enemy." how heroic. |
Cheap talks. I showed the facts in the beginning, where is your facts? |
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| Flotser |
All the big Russian TV channels, and i think that all the ones that broadcast news and politics, are controlled by the government or by companies associated with the government.
Once there was NTV channel that was independent, but was then overtaken by the government (specifically by the state-run gas monopoly Gasprom) in 2001.
http://www.cpj.org/news/2006/europe...a10oct06na.html |
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