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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jarvmeister
There's piss all wrong with sharing a track or two with a friend. It's in a totally different league to file sharing on a grand scale.
The tracks I get of a friend of mine I'd never have found and paid for even if I'd tried.
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Bull. If you can hear those tracks from a friend you actually found them didn't you? You could wage if it's/isn't your thing and then you either buy it or you don't.
My personal thought: A serious hobby costs serious money, it's always been that way. Not paying for music is theft, plain and simple. And even though I can't stop you I do think it's an unethical thing to do. Especially if you're planning on getting gigs. It's ridiculous to expect someone to take you seriously if you don't even take dj-ing seriously. It's even more ridiculous if you expect to get paid for your thievery.
If everyone who has a copy of my tracks would have actually bought it I would make at least 5 times more money per release. I know very few sharing sites, which I check to see which of my tracks are available on illegal websites and the total downloads on these are always about the same as my sales rate. Keep telling yourself that those few tracks don't matter, I bet you have a couple of hundred illegal copies already. Try looking up how much they cost at the time you got them. You'd be surprised how much money it would have cost if you actually had to pay for it.
Hell, I've got quite some debts and even I (find some cash to) pay for all my tracks. DJ's which are reluctant to invest in their hobby/passion should find another hobby. It's obvious the passion isn't actually there otherwise the music would have been worth the cash.
All in all it's a pretty harsh statement. But that's how I feel about this whole thing. |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Not paying for music is theft, plain and simple. |
Copyright infringement is not theft. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
Copyright infringement is not theft. |
Bull number two, Storyteller is spot on. If I make something and put it out there to be sold and someone copies it for distribution and other people get that copy, then that is stealing!!!!, unless you want to try to redefine the basic global principles of intellectual property.
Jarvmeister, it's fine that your friend gives you music that you would not have found normally, but if you decide you like it, then go out and buy it. There's nothing wrong with a promo from someone you know, or for music that is not released, but realise that by making or receiving copies of peoples work, you are stripping someone of their lively hood by doing this.
It takes a load of work, expensive equipment, talent and time to make even a slightly decent track, so the least you can do pay a whole $1.50 for it. Christ, you can't even buy a donut or a can of drink in most places for that now - is it really too much to consider paying that for something that you will really like and might even make money off by playing it in a club? |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Bull number two, Storyteller is spot on. If I make something and put it out there to be sold and someone copies it for distribution and other people get that copy, then that is stealing!!!!, unless you want to try to redefine the basic global principles of intellectual property. |
Theft involves the loss of tangible property that cannot be duplicated. If I go into a record store and shoplift a CD from the shelves, it is theft--the store has been deprived of its property. If I download that same album, it is copyright infringement--no one has been deprived of property, the digital files have simply been duplicated. There IS a difference.
I'm not trying argue against purchasing music, I'm just pointing this out. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
Theft involves the loss of tangible property that cannot be duplicated. If I go into a record store and shoplift a CD from the shelves, it is theft--the store has been deprived of its property. If I download that same album, it is copyright infringement--no one has been deprived of property, the digital files have simply been duplicated. There IS a difference.
I'm not trying argue against purchasing music, I'm just pointing this out. |
I know - I'm not saying it's the physical action of theft itself - that obviously involves something belonging to a person or entity being taken without permission.
I'm saying the copying and distribution of intellectual property is tantamount to theft and in terms of both morality and loss, it's exactly the same thing.
To the owner of the material, you might as well steal it from their house. That's my point and I bet most people who don't care, have never released anything. |
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| veezee |
Im not saying its right, but I bet the same people who cry theft do it in some other form like cable/satellite/movies etc.. if you say you don't I call bull. :)
Jay |
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| Storyteller |
And that's part of cognitive dissonance. You know it's wrong and yet you find some reason to tell yourself your stolen music collection is in fact not a problem. You take things out of perspective by naively saying "others steal too" while instead you should be saying "Dang, it's my own responsibility to do things right but I'm not doing it right, that should change!". And that's probably the place where most people go wrong.
Sorry for the offtopic. Couldn't let this subject fly while it surfaced :). |
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| Jarvmeister |
Seriously, I don't have a problem with what I do.
I chuck a decent amount of money into the music business and get the occasional freebie. It's not big business.
I used to do the same thing as a kid, tape tracks off the radio, record an album that a friend had purchased. And do you know what? It made me love the music more - and without the ability to 'break the law' in this way I probably wouldn't have gained such an interest and love for mixing that I have now, and paradoxically wouldn't be spending my money on it.
People need to realise that it's not just black and white, there's more to the occasional free track than just plain and simple theft.
EDIT: Probably worth noting at this stage that I do not play gigs, my hobby is strictly a living room passtime, nothing more. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Great. I hope when you pour your heart in to something, someone doesn't come along and steals it from you.
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haha
If its stealing, guess what.... i dont give a . |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
haha
If its stealing, guess what.... i dont give a . |
kinda like us whenever you put out a set. |
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