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motu 24i/o upgrade time? (pg. 3)
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| johno27 |
What about modding the 24i/o WITH the clock mod too?
I'd rather not have to plug synths in one at a time to bounce.. everything is very neatly hardwired into set inputs and configured in my logic template for all my synths, compressors and lexicons etc.. which i often use on send / inserts .. so that should go thru the same quality converters as well.. I think a modded 24io is the cheap middle of the road option.. followed by going apogee/lynx. |
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by johno27
What about modding the 24i/o WITH the clock mod too?
I'd rather not have to plug synths in one at a time to bounce.. everything is very neatly hardwired into set inputs and configured in my logic template for all my synths, compressors and lexicons etc.. which i often use on send / inserts .. so that should go thru the same quality converters as well.. I think a modded 24io is the cheap middle of the road option.. followed by going apogee/lynx. |
The mod with the clock will sound great but the converter chips are better on the more expensive apogee/lynx units. They where never meant to compete.
They are simply in a different league.
It depends on what you want.
Do you want to spend a fortune on hi-end convertors for your studio?
Is it worth the money for what you are trying to do?
Yes it matters but how much is up to you to decide.
The 24 io is not exactly consumer either. Especially after the mod. |
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| G-Con |
| I remember when I upgraded my Soundblaster 16 to a Soundblaster Live, the difference was immense |
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| johno27 |
I think the most important question is... will a lynx/apogee make my productions that much better to justify the IMMENSE cost as opposed to a modded 24i/o with the focal twins? I doubt it.. Right now my biggest issue is translation problems with mix-downs, actually writing the tracks in the first place I'd be happy to do it on pretty much anything.. at the end of the day there are people out there using fruityloops on a cheap home pc and producing decent enough tracks.
I think in this business one tends to become obsessive and we can go over board a bit.. the last thing I want to do is land up spending another $20,000 only to suffer buyers remorse :)
I'd rather spend, $5000 and be in a good place where I know that my equipment is not the limiting factor but rather my own capabilities.
If I was setting up a studio PURELY for mastering there would be no question, I'd go straight for a stereo top of the range converter, but unfortunately the vast number of ins/outs i need as part of the "production" environment makes this prohibitive. |
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| Storyteller |
| That's a very good point you make. I would suggest you to invest in monitor speakers first. If you feel the need afterwards for better ADC/DAC then save up to invest in that :). This way you really can't go wrong. You already have a decent audio interface is it is. It may not be perfect, but it is more than capable of doing the job :) |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by johno27
I think the most important question is... will a lynx/apogee make my productions that much better to justify the IMMENSE cost as opposed to a modded 24i/o with the focal twins? I doubt it.. Right now my biggest issue is translation problems with mix-downs, actually writing the tracks in the first place I'd be happy to do it on pretty much anything.. at the end of the day there are people out there using fruityloops on a cheap home pc and producing decent enough tracks. |
Well the lynx/apogee upgrade is going to cost a lot and as I said before, if you do the BLA mod, you get to retain the investment that you have already put in the motu, as well as increasing it's reslae value. Honestly, it's about your desires and preferences - Eric, really does go for the best and is certainly not afraid to save up pay for it, and that suits him. Me? I personally can't justify outlays like that at the moment especially as I have access to a commercial recording studio.
As for the FL points, yes this is very true - Storyteller for one has released several tracks made on not much more than FL and Behringer Truth monitors, but having said that, with better equipment (up to a certain point) production gets easier (like not having to reference your mix on 10 different speaker set ups) and if your serious about it, then why not make it more comfortable.
| quote: | Originally posted by johno27
I think in this business one tends to become obsessive and we can go over board a bit.. the last thing I want to do is land up spending another $20,000 only to suffer buyers remorse :)
I'd rather spend, $5000 and be in a good place where I know that my equipment is not the limiting factor but rather my own capabilities. |
This business is totally obsessive, but you just have to be aware of the points of diminishing returns related to your specific situation. For instance, if I had Mackie HR824's now that would be a huge step up from my crap monitors (even with their faults) and what i call a big investment, so considering the focals is just too much for the relatively small increase in performance vs. the massive increase in performance of my current monitors to mackies. (if you get what I mean).
| quote: | Originally posted by johno27
If I was setting up a studio PURELY for mastering there would be no question, I'd go straight for a stereo top of the range converter, but unfortunately the vast number of ins/outs i need as part of the "production" environment makes this prohibitive.
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Basically it seems that if your happy with the functionality of your kit (the Motu) then keep it for the time being. You'll notice a much bigger relative improvement through the investment of the focals.
Also, you started out in this thread stating that you were not unhappy with the motu, just that you had heard it there were some questions about it's sound quality, which is to a degree (when comparing to apogee/lynx etc.) is true, but if it doesn't bother you, don't go out and spend several grand buying expensive new interfaces.
I would at most do the BLA mod (because it represents good value vs. performance increase) and only costs $600, which wouldn't even buy you half a pro level interface. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Honestly, it's about your desires and preferences - Eric, really does go for the best and is certainly not afraid to save up pay for it, and that suits him.
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Exactly my point. I was just referring to what I am planning on doing, not necessarily trying to convince someone else to go the same route that I am planning on going.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
This business is totally obsessive, but you just have to be aware of the points of diminishing returns related to your specific situation. For instance, if I had Mackie HR824's now that would be a huge step up from my crap monitors (even with their faults) and what i call a big investment, so considering the focals is just too much for the relatively small increase in performance vs. the massive increase in performance of my current monitors to mackies. (if you get what I mean).
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I totally get what you mean here. However, I must say that it was very difficult for me to get a good mix on the HR824's. The mids were just SO cluttered that everything sounded jumbled and muddy.
That being said, I'm planning on selling the HR824's, so if you want to pick them up from me, PM me and let me know. They're in really good shape with only about 6 months usage on them. |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
As for the FL points, yes this is very true - Storyteller for one has released several tracks made on not much more than FL and Behringer Truth monitors, but having said that, with better equipment (up to a certain point) production gets easier (like not having to reference your mix on 10 different speaker set ups) and if your serious about it, then why not make it more comfortable.
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Truths, I had those, yes. FL, hell no hahaha. I've got Renoise and Cubase, but other than that no, no, no FL. :D
I got some nice mid-budget monitors and soundcard now which has improved the quality of my productions a load. Now I just need to finish some :). Behringers are fun, but you indeed need to cross reference a lot while with the dynaudio's I have now it translates way better to other systems without the hassle, just as you said :). |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
That being said, I'm planning on selling the HR824's, so if you want to pick them up from me, PM me and let me know. They're in really good shape with only about 6 months usage on them.
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Damn you! Why now? I'm going on holiday soon so no chance to convince the misses I need to invest new monitors. Thanks though and I will let you know if I get some moola together before you flog 'em.
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Truths, I had those, yes. FL, hell no hahaha. I've got Renoise and Cubase, but other than that no, no, no FL. :D
I got some nice mid-budget monitors and soundcard now which has improved the quality of my productions a load. Now I just need to finish some :). Behringers are fun, but you indeed need to cross reference a lot while with the dynaudio's I have now it translates way better to other systems without the hassle, just as you said :). |
Sorry, I'll wash my mouth out :D
I knew you used something weird ;) , just assumed it was FL for some unknown reason. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Damn you! Why now? I'm going on holiday soon so no chance to convince the misses I need to invest new monitors. Thanks though and I will let you know if I get some moola together before you flog 'em.
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OK, I'm not in a huge rush, but I'll let you know once they go up. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
OK, I'm not in a huge rush, but I'll let you know once they go up. |
Please do!!!!!! |
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| offensive_newbi |
Did I understand correctly:
Someone with 400e/pair monitors are going to buy new audio interface and cables worth of thousands of euros and you guys are encouraging him to buy them before replacing his monitors?
I doubt that new audio interface would significantly improve sound at least with those tannoys?
edit: If you are unable to do good sounding mixes, i doubt the motu 24/io is the culprit. Even if it may not be really top super high end studio class. It shouldn't be so bad that it really colors and spoils the sound.
I agree that dacs and audio interfaces etc. have differences, but at least in this price class they shouldn't be so big. At least when recording synts??? And would anyone be able to hear them in final mix?
Noticing differences this small would propably require at least decent speakers and somewhat trained ear?
ps. This is not meant to be a flame or an offensive post. I am just trying to eh. "provoke" some discussion? |
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