Originally posted by josh4
My point is thats not the case with these GOP base rallies. Its all of them. It is not a few people that were put together to make one video. The whole crowd is chanting these slogans and getting angry. This is mob mentality.
that's a bit of a stretch. Is that first hand experience from you attending a GOP rally? Or are you surmising based one of these potentially spliced videos you are watching of the crazy republicans?
diggerz
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Originally posted by George Smiley
Racist :rolleyes:
Redneck :rolleyes:
negative on both accounts...
listen, everyone has taken this "race card" to levels beyond reason, it's turning in a black vs white thing and it's not. i don't care who's president as long as i am able to make money and make business the same way as before.
yes, call me fascist for generating jobs, reducing employment levels and raising the GDP of a nation.
zild, you don't know about me or about my family to comment about my views. Listen, if you think Chavez and the entire communist agenda is the future, you are lost lost looost....but hey, you've had it good all your life kids, you don't know what communism leads to...it leads to corruption, it leads to an excess of power and the worst of the worst.
I believe in Winston Churchill because he symbolizes what this country needs, a stronger fist, a more capitalist and imperialist approach. obama is treating the u.s like it's a third world country, nor he or his govt know about economics.
i'll quote henrik ibsen here...
"the minority is always right and the majority is always wrong"
josh4
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Originally posted by jerZ07002
that's a bit of a stretch. Is that first hand experience from you attending a GOP rally? Or are you surmising based one of these potentially spliced videos you are watching of the crazy republicans?
A combination of the videos and news articles summarizing the general reaction of the crowds (not single particular people).
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And nowhere is this emotion on plainer display than at Republican rallies, where voters this week have shouted out insults at the mention of Obama, pleaded with McCain to get more aggressive with the Democrat and generally demonstrated the sort of visceral anger and unease that reflects a party on the precipice of panic.
Originally posted by josh4
I understand your point, that anyone can canvas an event, pick and choose a few morons then splice it all together and make a video.
My point is thats not the case with these GOP base rallies. Its all of them. It is not a few people that were put together to make one video. The whole crowd is chanting these slogans and getting angry. This is mob mentality.
Almost ironic because in the end, if it continues, they are going to push independents and swing voters even further away from their ticket. Anger is not a good emotion to have involved. If McCain keeps inciting them and they start to get violent hes going to answer to it.
My political affiliation is no secret on this forum, and even I think this is going way too far. It's akin to Republicans suggesting that all Democrats are socialists. It dumbs down the discourse, and is really no better than the one-size-fits-all kind of logic that you're ranting against.
josh4
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
My political affiliation is no secret on this forum, and even I think this is going way too far. It's akin to Republicans suggesting that all Democrats are socialists. It dumbs down the discourse, and is really no better than the one-size-fits-all kind of logic that you're ranting against.
What would you say? That a few people are setting bad examples for the rest of them? The news articles repeatedly cite ANGRY MOBS. How many times do I have to quote that? You can't make an ANGRY MOB with a few bad apples, it requires group effort!
This is not reflective of the larger republican party, just the GOP conservative base or at least the people that are apart of these ANGRY MOBS.
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by josh4
What would you say? That a few people are setting bad examples for the rest of them? The news articles repeatedly cite ANGRY MOBS. How many times do I have to quote that? You can't make an ANGRY MOB with a few bad apples, it requires group effort!
This is not reflective of the larger republican party, just the GOP conservative base or at least the people that are apart of these ANGRY MOBS.
I think it's indicative of a few vocal miscreants and a largely passive majority willing to sit idly by while people make fools of themselves. I do agree that the number of people inciting hatred is increasing, it in no way represents the totality of the Republican Party, John McCain supporters, or even attendees at these rallies.
But there are enough of them to make people notice, that much is for certain.
josh4
Yeeees. It "in no way represents the totality of the Republican Party, John McCain supporters, or even attendees at these rallies." But isn't the fact that "a largely passive majority willing to sit idly by" equal to agreement and condoning it? Isn't that just as bad? Especially from McCain.
I still dismiss the possibility that it is a select few people at the rallies causing a majority of the trouble. If that were the case these articles would be framed differently. But the articles are summarizing a general consensus among the greater majority of those attending the rallies. Not a few people making aside comments before or after the rallies.
Here is another article from a mainstream source.
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Rage rising on the McCain campaign trail
# McCain-Palin supporters increasing their attacks on Obama during rallies
# Some supporters have yelled out "treason," "kill him" and "terrorist"
# McCain and Palin have not asked their supporters to calm their attack
# Obama says Friday: Anger and division are "not what we need right now"
CNN contributor David Gergen said that the negative tone of these rallies are "incendiary" and could lead to violence.
"There is this free floating sort of whipping around anger that could really lead to some violence. I think we're not far from that," he told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Thursday. "I really worry when we get people -- when you get the kind of rhetoric that you're getting at these rallies now. I think it's really imperative that the candidates try to calm people down." http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/
noikeee
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Originally posted by diggerz
negative on both accounts...
listen, everyone has taken this "race card" to levels beyond reason, it's turning in a black vs white thing and it's not. i don't care who's president as long as i am able to make money and make business the same way as before.
yes, call me fascist for generating jobs, reducing employment levels and raising the GDP of a nation.
zild, you don't know about me or about my family to comment about my views. Listen, if you think Chavez and the entire communist agenda is the future, you are lost lost looost....but hey, you've had it good all your life kids, you don't know what communism leads to...it leads to corruption, it leads to an excess of power and the worst of the worst.
I believe in Winston Churchill because he symbolizes what this country needs, a stronger fist, a more capitalist and imperialist approach. obama is treating the u.s like it's a third world country, nor he or his govt know about economics.
i'll quote henrik ibsen here...
"the minority is always right and the majority is always wrong"
You speak as if there's a bunch of communism supporters in this thread. :wtf:
Zild
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Originally posted by noikeee
You speak as if there's a bunch of communism supporters in this thread. :wtf:
That is what I was wondering. I'm not even voting for Obama. I was just pointing out how insane the people in the video are.
DJ Shibby
One of them was holding up an "EPIC FAIL" sign!
LOL
DJ Shibby
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Something about McCain makes me feel like he doesn't really like these people at all, but has no choice.
When that guy yells "Terrorist!" in the audience, McCain gets this look on his face that almost looks like he's pained that the guy would even say something like that, and that McCain himself is trying to appeal to these nutbags.
I still say its possible he's been throwing the election for months now to the better man.
josh4
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Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Something about McCain makes me feel like he doesn't really like these people at all, but has no choice.
When that guy yells "Terrorist!" in the audience, McCain gets this look on his face that almost looks like he's pained that the guy would even say something like that, and that McCain himself is trying to appeal to these nutbags.
I still say its possible he's been throwing the election for months now to the better man.
Yeah I don't think McCain wants this at all.
Hear that sigh? I miss this McCain. His hand is obviously being forced and does not like that he is running a campaign contrary to his beliefs. I wonder if he is going to be able to stem the tide.
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"I am enthusiastic and encouraged by the enthusiasm and I think it's really good," McCain said. "We have to fight and i will fight but we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments and I want to be respectful.
"I dont mean that you have to lose your ferocity. I just mean you have to be respectful."
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"I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of as president of the United States," McCain said as the crowd booed and shouted "Come on, John!" http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensm...l_of_Obama.html
