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Even bars aren't safe from Toronto NIMBYism (pg. 2)
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
if they could harness the wind coming from their whiney mouths they wouldnt need the wind farms LOL |
winner. |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
And jane creba got shot outside foot locker. And last year there was a shooting at a church. Shall we close these places too? Violence can happen anywhere. Blame the guy who was on parole for prior gun charges and assault. Not the bar. The bar didnt tell him to shoot anyone. |
Don't be pathetic with your biased examples.
Have the other businesses around foot locker being lobbying to have it closed down? Is foot locker known as a drug haven that serves underage?
You really are a sensationalist. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
Don't be pathetic with your biased examples.
Have the other businesses around foot locker being lobbying to have it closed down? Is foot locker known as a drug haven that serves underage?
You really are a sensationalist. |
Do those things apply to the Duke of York? Again this article is poorly written with nothing but speculation, whining and innuendo. Go back and carefully reread the article. There is nothing in this article that accuses the Duke of York of this other than hearsay.
Do foot lockers and churches have drug problems? I bet if you randomly searched people at both places youd find quantities of drugs in their possession. So what?
The only sensationalism i see here is by those who want the bar closed. |
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| Jayx1 |
| PS: i find it ironic to be called sensationalist in a thread where i am attacking sensationalism.... :) |
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| English Rachel |
You posted this!
| quote: | Pressure to deal with the bar -- and others in Leslieville -- has been mounting for years. Neighbourhood residents say they've warned officials about questionable activity in and outside the bar repeatedly. Local business owner John Raitt tells CP24.com that concerned citizens have long pleaded with authorities to enforce liquor-serving laws at the Duke of York Tavern and two nearby establishments.
Bars are legally required to stop serving patrons who appear intoxicated. However, Raitt says customers are often highly inebriated -- and prone to fighting -- when leaving the establishment.
Raitt -- who lives above his business, about a block and a half from the Duke -- believes the bar is serving customers beyond the point of intoxication.
"We constantly phone (police) about bar fights that spill out onto the streets," he says. "It's not just at night -- it can be going on all day."
Raitt says fights, such as the one that culminated with the shooting death of the female bystander, are common around closing time at the establishment, and at nearby bars Jones Avenue and Teddy's Sports Bar and Grill.
"Once we get alcohol into the mix and these people have access to guns, problems happen," Raitt says. "We just want them to do business properly."
According to AGCO records, 35 complaints have been received about Teddy's since January 2006. The bar's liquor license has been suspended once a year since then: for seven days in 2006, for nine days in 2007 and for seven days in 2008.
Jones Avenue has been the subject of six complaints since January 2006, resulting in two suspensions -- for 14 days in 2007 and for 18 days in 2008.
The Duke of York has not had any suspensions since its license was granted in 1990.
Raitt says little has changed in the neighbourhood despite the routine disciplinary actions taken against the other two bars. He says he'd love to see the venues shut down for good.
That's easier said than done. Murray notes the AGCO doesn't have the power to close an establishment, just revoke its liquor license.
"Whether or not an establishment decides to (stay open while its license is suspended) is a business decision they have to make," she says. "I think the basic message is we have been made aware of concerns by the public, the councillors and the police.
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That's not hearsay, a resident is quoted. |
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| El K Dee |
| quote: | | Raitt -- who lives above his business, about a block and a half from the Duke -- believes the bar is serving customers beyond the point of intoxication. |
| quote: | | "Once we get alcohol into the mix and these people have access to guns, problems happen," Raitt says. "We just want them to do business properly." |
a person could be on shrooms or meth in a house in the area hallucinating the out and happens to own hunting rifles or something and go on a wild rampage shooting anyone...whats the difference? just because one stray had a gun, the rest of the patrons must suffer?
You might say a resident is quoted...but look at his "facts" its all speculation of what actually happens there. AND hes the one thats been calling the cops on these guys so of course he has a personal thing against the establishment
hell why not close down madison pubs while at it? that place in fact is rowdy compared to Duke of York with all those kids binge drinking there. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
You posted this!
That's not hearsay, a resident is quoted. |
quoting a resident about what he or she thinks is happening about a bar down the street without any proof is in fact hearsay. |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
hell why not close down madison pubs while at it? that place in fact is rowdy compared to Duke of York with all those kids binge drinking there. |
A patron hasn't just shot another patron TO DEATH outside there
Unbelievable that you guys can't put yourselves in the shoes of the people that live in the area or who may have known the dead girl.
Regardless of what you say, every action has a consequence and there is nothing NIMBY about that at all, it is about people wanting to minimize the danger of the area in which they live. |
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| El K Dee |
| ok think about this... there was driveby shooting outside the tim hortons on the ryerson campus a few years ago.. a ton of students couldve been killed in the ordeal... why is there no mention of shutting it down? there are alot of bums that frequent that tim hortons too |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
A patron hasn't just shot another patron TO DEATH outside there
Unbelievable that you guys can't put yourselves in the shoes of the people that live in the area or who may have known the dead girl.
Regardless of what you say, every action has a consequence and there is nothing NIMBY about that at all, it is about people wanting to minimize the danger of the area in which they live. |
Hence why all the public pressure to close down the clubs?
Because clubs are so dangerous and attracts violent youths and drug addicts?
I've yet to see coorelating evidence that the girl that was shot was direct result of happenings inside this bar.
Drunken bar fights happen all the time. Some moron decides to bring a knife or a gun into that fight and shoots someone. Is this the bar's fault? Should we close all bars because of it? |
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| El K Dee |
| we should push for guv and the docks, so on and so forth to be closed cos of the stabbings and shootings that have occurred in the past... |
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| FunkyCrew |
I also don't agree with the whole closing down deal
maybe bars should have more security on the floor, and should implement searches too? |
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