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Anti-Jewish mosque fights for Muslim rights
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| Magnetonium |
This is funny. These people have absolutely no appreciation or respect for this country and its values and for allowing them to escape the oppression in their foxholes wherever they came from .... its like they came here to undermine the system.
Whats wrong with these peoples' mentality?
http://www.thespec.com/article/465278
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Anti-Jewish mosque fights for Muslim rights
Toronto mosque fighting UPS on dress rules
November 12, 2008
John Goddard
Torstar News Service
A mosque asking that Canadian workplaces respect a strict Muslim dress code is at the same time disseminating slurs against Jews and Western societies, and warning members against social integration.
The Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque near Kipling Ave. and Rexdale Blvd. serves as the religious authority for eight Somali women complaining to the Canadian Human Rights Commission that UPS Canada Ltd. violated their religious rights at a sorting plant. The mosque, founded in 1990 and serving upwards of 10,000 people, preaches strict adherence to sharia, or Islamic law, and no compromise with the West.
Teachings on the mosque's website, khalidmosque.com, refer to non-Muslim Westerners as "wicked," "corrupt" and "our clear enemies."
Sometimes Jews are singled out.
"Is it permissible for women to wear high-heeled shoes?" begins one posting in question-and-answer format. "That is not permissible," comes the reply. "It involves resembling the Disbelieving Women or the wicked women. It has its origin among the Jewish women."
Modern pastimes are condemned.
"What is the ruling on subscribing to sports channels?" another question begins. "Watching some of the female spectators, when the camera focuses on them time after time" stirs "evil inclinations," the lesson reads. "Some (players) may not even believe in Allaah."
Mosque leaders refused repeated requests for an interview.
A disclaimer on the website says questions and answers do not necessarily reflect the mosque's views. But the About Us page says: "All questions and answers on this site (are) prepared, approved and supervised by (the mosque's imam) Bashir Yusuf Shiil."
The mosque's stand on the UPS case also appears contradictory.
In September, a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal heard two weeks of testimony from eight mosque members alleging "Islamophobia" at the company's west Toronto plant. Three final days of testimony are scheduled for next week.
The eight women, who lost their jobs at UPS, say Islam dictates that they wear a full-length skirt for modesty. The courier company insists that any skirt be knee-length for safety, as workers climb ladders up to 6 metres high.
Under their skirt, the women wear full-length trousers but say they do not want the lower part showing in case the shape of the calf can be discerned.
The complaint originally centred on the company's use of temporary workers and uneven enforcement of its safety rules.
But the key question remains: Is UPS insisting on shorter hems for safety or is it violating religious rights by denying the women permanent jobs unless they conform?
So far, no Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque representative has attended the sessions, but the women cited the mosque as their place of worship and religious authority, and tabled a letter from its administration. "This is to certify that the religion of Islam requires all Muslim women to cover her entire body inclusive of the legs, arms, head, ears and neck," the letter reads. "As such, (the women) would not be able to wear pants as an outfit."
On the other hand, the mosque's website teachings forbid women to work outside the home in the first place. "It is known that when women go to work in the workplaces of men, this leads to mixing with men," one such posting says.
"This is a very dangerous matter," it reads. "It is in clear opposition to the texts of the Shariah that order the women to remain in their houses and to fulfill the type of work that is particular for her ...
"We ask Allah to protect our land and the lands of all Muslims from the plots and machinations of their enemies."
Two of the women making the complaint – Dales Yusuf, 46, and Nadifo Yusuf (no relation), 36 – said in an interview that they live in Canada now, and are free to pick and choose from Islamic law.
"We must work," said Dales Yusuf. "I'm a single parent raising my kids." Jacquie Chic, a lawyer with the Workers' Action Centre representing the women at the hearings, said neither she nor her clients were aware of the mosque's posted teachings. "I, the Workers' Centre and these women are concerned enormously about any expression of anti-Semitism or any other form of racism," she said.
Questions to the mosque about its teachings were met with evasiveness over three weeks.
Mosque chairman Osman Mohamed three times agreed to an interview and three times cancelled at last minute. Imam Shiil was said to be in Saudi Arabia and unreachable. Mosque administrator Abukar Mohamed confused matters further by appearing to agree with UPS, saying: "The Quran says women must be covered – it doesn't give you the specific clothes. But I am not a religious authority."
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| shaolin_Z |
| It's pretty lane and hypocritical, but I've never exactly had terribly high expectations from organized religion. |
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| Krypton |
| They should be immediately shut down, and the leaders deported back to their hellholes. If they don't like Canada, they can right off to their piece of countries. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Fire them all.
They don't want to follow company rules, then peddle your beliefs somewhere else... |
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| Jake Benson |
My cousin was working at Radio Shack, when she got a new Muslim boss who told her she could no longer work unless she covered her arms with a long-sleeve shirt. She quit.
Anyway, sounds like this Mosque in Toronto is the new training camp for terrorists, if not just a training camp to create a group of hateful beings. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
They should be immediately shut down, and the leaders deported back to their hellholes. If they don't like Canada, they can right off to their piece of countries. |
I have no patience for like this, from any religion. But since these people are likely immigrant Muslims of some kind, they should be immediately booted out of the country. How they get into the country in the first place is another matter. No wonder CSIS is on a hiring blitz. |
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| shaolin_Z |
Here's what they have to say. They're Somali, which makes me seriously doubt the accusations in the article. If they were Saudi or South Asian, I wouldn't be as skeptical.
| quote: | Response to Toronto Star's Article
A response letter was sent to John Goddard on Saturday November 8, 2008 before he published the article, and he failed to mention anywhere in the article that he has receivd a response from Khalid Mosque in regards to his concerns about the material in Khalid Mosque Website. Here is the letter that was sent to him:
November 8, 2008
Dear Mr. Goddard:
We would first like to take this opportunity to thank you for seeking our comments concerning certain material that is contained on our web site. We have maintained our web site to reach out to Muslims and non Muslims alike to provide to them the authentic teachings of Islam. We do not seek to offend or harm anyone with what is written on our web site. There are many different religions in this world and there are naturally many disagreements between scholars of each religion. This is a reality we all have to accept.
Different scholars of Islam may have differing opinions on the same subject. If the issue is clearly understood from the Quran and the Prophet Mohamed, the opinion of a scholar is not necessary. When we post a question and answer from a known Islamic Scholar on our web site, this does not mean that we agree or disagree with the views of that scholar on the particular issue being discussed. We try our best to enrich Islamic knowledge for anyone who visits our web site and show to them the differing views of Islamic scholars on a particular subject. We make it clear to all readers of our web site that unless the answers are provided by the Khalid mosque, the answers do not necessarily reflect the views of Khalidmosque.org.
It is our understanding that your article will address issues surrounding a Human Rights Commission hearing that is ongoing. We think it is very important that our position is clear to you and your readers: The Board of the Khalid Bib Al-Walid Mosque maintains the view that women are an extremely important part of the workplace in Canadian society and that they have made and will continue to make many meaningful contributions to Canada's economy and the well-being of their communities and families. We of course wish that all women enjoy as much success in life as possible.
We advise both our brothers and sisters in Islam and whoever else is willing to pay heed, that we all should try and adhere to the moral and ethical scripturally sourced authentic Islamic values regarding the way we dress for work and in our interaction with people of the opposite sex. We pray that our Lord gives us the resolve, the strength and the support required to freely practice what our Lord wishes of us.
We are law abiding citizens of this great country and we practice our religion in a manner that is entirely consistent with the rights afforded to us by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We are against all forms of violence and we strongly oppose radicalism and extremism. Moderation, peaceful coexistence and mutual respect between societies are integral parts of our Islamic teachings.
We do not accept any form of intimidation. While some media outlets seek to lump all brothers and sisters of Islam together and suggest to their readers that all people of Islam are radicals and terrorists, this will never have the effect of forcing us to abandon our religion and its important teachings.
We would also like to respond directly to your questions concerning Judaism. We believe in the Torah as one of the books that Allah revealed from the above Seven Heavens. We believe in the prophets of Allah: Abraham, Ismail, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, and Mohamed. We believe that the Quran is the final message to the whole of mankind and Mohamed is the final Messenger and servant of Allah who was sent to the whole of mankind.
We are very concerned by the tenor of your questions that you may unintentionally harm the image of Somali Muslims in Canada with the words you write. As the Board of the Khalid Bin Al-Walid mosque, we are preparing ourselves for the inevitable backlash of hatred and threats that will come with the suggestion that we support radical Islam and that we are therefore terrorists. While we have become accustom to this form of racism, we never get used to it and it is very harmful to our people. We will reserve judgment on your article until after it is published and we are hopeful that it is accurate, fair and balanced. If it is not, we will seek the appropriate advice from our legal counsel.
Thank you, may Allah guide you to right path.
Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque
Management and the Board of Directors |
http://www.khalidmosque.com/en/
I like the deportation comments coming from people who aren't not indigenous to this continent in the first place. Unless you're Native American, that comment seems a bit hypocritical to me too. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I like the deportation comments coming from people who aren't not indigenous to this continent in the first place. Unless you're Native American, that comment seems a bit hypocritical to me too. |
That's quite the assumption - and you know who is/isn't how? |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
That's quite the assumption - and you know who is/isn't how? |
First arrived the deer, then the Native Americans, then ... :conf: |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
They should be immediately shut down, and the leaders deported back to their hellholes. If they don't like Canada, they can right off to their piece of countries. |
sadly they might already be canadian citizens(it takes 4 years or so after landed immigrant status to apply)
this following video is really sad, since this girl has been indocrinated so early on, at a very curcial time in her psychology.
and try leavin a WTF type comment it will be removed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGFjkfKoECc |
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