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bass or not to bass? (pg. 2)
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| airwalker1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zomg
Well actually if you start with the melody and lets assume its one of these really great melodys where you listen to them ONCE and you say in your head "thats it"(and not these other melo`s which sound great first, and turn out to be sucky/cheesy)i think you canīt do anything wrong in my opinion. Even if the groove sounds not that strong, and the bass is some how uninteresting, theres still that melody that totally kicks ass and makes you listen to the track anyway.
I think its not HOW to creat the sound that matters, but your creativity. If you are great and can just come up with a sweet melo just like that then your track is gonna be great.
If you are more like mee who starts with simple things,waiting to be inspired, its better to start with the bass and stuff.
Are you using presets or creating from scratch? |
all from scrach
as allways |
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| Zomg |
| quote: | Originally posted by airwalker1
all from scrach
as allways |
good for you, im still using presets...my "creations" always sound really crappy and ...ty.....how did you learn to make good sounds on your on?Just fooling around untill you knew or did you go to classes? im having a hard time on my on |
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| pwnage1 |
Always start with bass or drums and none of my tunes sound that similar, because the groove is never the same, and i hardly re-use samples, because it is kind of hard when you have as many samples as me all named kick 1, kick 2, deep kick 1 etc. I know that i prefer the deeper kicks, but i probably am not using the same one. And i dont usually have a standard trance groove with my percussions. I use a lot of ethnic percussions and i try not to just use the regular, close hat open closed open etc.
Also, i suck at making melodies, i think partly because i don't know music theory at all and partly, because i am too lazy to try, especially without a midi keyboard. |
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| airwalker1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zomg
good for you, im still using presets...my "creations" always sound really crappy and ...ty.....how did you learn to make good sounds on your on?Just fooling around untill you knew or did you go to classes? im having a hard time on my on |
well yeah its all trial a error but the best pice of advice a can give is find things that are not premade. so lets say you select vangard synth for example
try and look for the not so good stuff ie all the sounds that dont do anything intresting. and play around a little bit adding other things bit by bit. dont go for the easy option wont make way for good tracks. |
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| airwalker1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pwnage1
Always start with bass or drums and none of my tunes sound that similar, because the groove is never the same, and i hardly re-use samples, because it is kind of hard when you have as many samples as me all named kick 1, kick 2, deep kick 1 etc. I know that i prefer the deeper kicks, but i probably am not using the same one. And i dont usually have a standard trance groove with my percussions. I use a lot of ethnic percussions and i try not to just use the regular, close hat open closed open etc.
Also, i suck at making melodies, i think partly because i don't know music theory at all and partly, because i am too lazy to try, especially without a midi keyboard. |
a great way around the melodie problem is listen to some real music for a wile then select piano in your vst folders or a nice synth and use some dely reverb.
and find all the notes you hear in your head. use all the keys of the keybord dont be shy. i bet you be amazed at how good you will become. |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theran
I always do kick and bass first. |
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| pwnage1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by airwalker1
a great way around the melodie problem is listen to some real music for a wile then select piano in your vst folders or a nice synth and use some dely reverb.
and find all the notes you hear in your head. use all the keys of the keybord dont be shy. i bet you be amazed at how good you will become. |
Thanks for the tip mate i'll need to try that. |
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| airwalker1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pwnage1
Thanks for the tip mate i'll need to try that. |
no problem matey.learning music theory is hard at best. i learn'd by teaching myself and i still dont know all the rules to it all.
also try with strings as well,why because this is a great way of learning chords. select you're favorate type of strings/pads(may i recomend clasical) as these will help you better reconise note changes. |
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| Zomg |
| quote: | Originally posted by airwalker1
well yeah its all trial a error but the best pice of advice a can give is find things that are not premade. so lets say you select vangard synth for example
try and look for the not so good stuff ie all the sounds that dont do anything intresting. and play around a little bit adding other things bit by bit. dont go for the easy option wont make way for good tracks. |
So true. But i get really depressed so fast because i have no idea what im doing and it never sounds great(its like i know the basics and i can make a sound "close"to some sound from an existing track... but it never sounds AS good as the real one.. |
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| Floorfiller |
| if this is the approach that trance producers use, why is the trance bassline and kick so generic? |
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| airwalker1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zomg
So true. But i get really depressed so fast because i have no idea what im doing and it never sounds great(its like i know the basics and i can make a sound "close"to some sound from an existing track... but it never sounds AS good as the real one.. |
then dont compare simply hit key notes,find what motivates and act on them.
most people use c so go into piano roll,have it on loop 1 bar to start.
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-c....then back to c of corse thier is other notes as well
- look for lower notes to but i hope this help.
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