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John Digweed 1995 EM Appreciation Thread (pg. 6)
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| boi85 |
| quote: | Originally posted by saluyamo
Just my opinion..
Sasha 21/05/1995 essential mix |
Yes yes yes yes yes yes and yes.
That's the one with Blue Monday right? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by boi85
Yes yes yes yes yes yes and yes.
That's the one with Blue Monday right? |
Indeed it is. The Hardfloor remix. |
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| Armitage |
| quote: | Originally posted by Teezdalien
Hey man, any chance you can hook me up with some links? Thanks in advance. |
Sasha 21/05/95 - [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
Oakenfold 17/09/95 - [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
CJ Bolland 06/11/94 - [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
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| Teezdalien |
| Thanks very much for these. Definitely grabbing these after reading all good stuff about them.:) |
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| Slipmat |
| A great EM. Listening right now and loving it. :D |
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| Surfmorworkless |
| quote: | Originally posted by Armitage
Oakenfold 17/09/95 - [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
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is that the Goa mix? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Surfmorworkless
is that the Goa mix? |
No, the Goa Mix is from 1994. This is supposedly a live broadcast from the KU club (now Privilege), Ibiza, although a lot of people think this is a prerecorded set.
Weirdly, the MP3 won't play in Media Player, only Winamp, for me. Winamp is telling me it's 53 minutes long, so I'm guessing this is only the first half. Tracklist, from another forum:
Part 1:
01 BT – “Tripping The Light Fantastic” (Perfecto)
02 BT – “Loving You More (BT’s Garden of Ima Dub)” (Perfecto)
03 Wild Colour – “Dreams (BT’s Circadian Dream Mix)” (Perfecto)
04 Tilt – “I Dream (Tilt’s Case De Angeles Mix)” (Perfecto)
05 Quivver – “Believe In Me (Original Q Mix)” (Perfecto)
06 Grace – “Skin on Skin (Oakenfold & Osbourne’s Orange Mix)” (Perfecto)
07 Jam & Spoon – “Odyssey to Anyoona” (Sony)
08 Grace – “I Want To Live (Rollo & Sister Bliss Mix)” (Perfecto)
09 Crescendo – “Are You Out There (Original Mix)” (FFRR)
10 Remake – “Bladerunner (Replicant Mix)” (Loaded)
As you can see, Oakie was really whoring out Perfecto here. It seems in '95 he would start with the more epic house stuff from BT and Quivver from the main Perfecto label before moving into the more goa-edged Perfecto Fluoro stuff. I haven't heard the second half of this EM, but I reckon it'll be a lot more trancey than this first half. |
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| Chimney |
Anyone able to provide a tracklist for Sasha's EM from '95?
Nevermind, found:
Essential Mix (1995-05-21)
BT - Trippin [Perfecto]
New Order - Blue Monday [FFrr]
Spicelab - We got Spice [Harthouses]
Peter Lazonby - Sacred Cycles [Brainiak]
Dum dum - To The Rhythm of Love [Whoop]
Up Yer Ronson - Lost in Love [Hi-Life]
Hal 9000 - Stoopid [Fresh]
BT - Divinity [Perfecto]
Blue Amazon - Star of David [Jackpot]
Mozaic - Sing Hallelujah [acetate]
BT/Quat - untitled [deConstruction]
Billy Ray Martin - Put Your Lovin Arms [East West]
Shiva - Freedom [ffrr]
BT - Loving You More [Perfecto] |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chimney
Anyone able to provide a tracklist for Sasha's EM from '95? |
Off the top of my head:
Part 1:
1. BT - Tripping On Sunshine
2. New Order - Blue Monday (Hardfloor Remix)
3. Spicelab - We Got Spice (Humate Remix)
4. Pete Lazonby - Sacred Cycles (Jens Remix)
5. Dum Dum - One Earth Beat (Rhythm Of Life/Dream Of Life Mixes)
6. Up Yer Ronson - Lost In Love (Sasha Remix)
7. Hal 9000 - Stoopid
8. BT - Divinity
Part 2:
1. Blue Amazon - Star of David
2. Mozaic - Sing It (The Hallelujah Song) (Quivver's Dirty Dub)
3. BT & Sasha - Heart of Imagination
4. Billie Ray Martin - Your Loving Arms (Brothers In Rhythm Club Mix)
5. Shiva - Freedom (BT's Subconscious Freedom Remix)
6. BT feat. Vincent Covello - Loving You More (BT's Primordial Sound 12" Mix)
I've listened to this set so many times I've lost count. It was the set that made me realise what epic house was. I'd heard all these BT tracks that I could never categorise as house or trance and when I heard them in context I realised what was going on. I fell in love with it after this set. |
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| Chimney |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Off the top of my head:
Part 1:
1. BT - Tripping On Sunshine
2. New Order - Blue Monday (Hardfloor Remix)
3. Spicelab - We Got Spice (Humate Remix)
4. Pete Lazonby - Sacred Cycles (Jens Remix)
5. Dum Dum - One Earth Beat (Rhythm Of Life/Dream Of Life Mixes)
6. Up Yer Ronson - Lost In Love (Sasha Remix)
7. Hal 9000 - Stoopid
8. BT - Divinity
Part 2:
1. Blue Amazon - Star of David
2. Mozaic - Sing It (The Hallelujah Song) (Quivver's Dirty Dub)
3. BT & Sasha - Heart of Imagination
4. Billie Ray Martin - Your Loving Arms (Brothers In Rhythm Club Mix)
5. Shiva - Freedom (BT's Subconscious Freedom Remix)
6. BT feat. Vincent Covello - Loving You More (BT's Primordial Sound 12" Mix)
I've listened to this set so many times I've lost count. It was the set that made me realise what epic house was. I'd heard all these BT tracks that I could never categorise as house or trance and when I heard them in context I realised what was going on. |
Passing the boarder of the people calling everything for "EDM", no matter how experienced one may be in the (sub)genrés of trance and house, there is always going to be a time when one will end up in the confusion over certain elements in a track.
Personally for me, trying to figure out sub-genrés has always been a way of testing myself as a true listener, whether or not I could see into the depth of a track.
House has never been my main speciality when it comes to detailed sub-ganrés (of course ommittning some known styles such as progressive/electro) however I spent quite some years trying to learn as much as possible about the background, typical sounds, history and so on about all trance genrés. Many consider this to be a waste of time, but for me, it's all about that extra notch, being able to classify a track and answering the question "what time of music do you listen to". The more you learn about a genré, the more you have to learn about familiar styles.
Looks like I slipped a bit off-course here. Nevertheless, I always considered BT to be one of the early trance pioneers untill later on when he switches style - however of this epic house style...I'm a bit clueless. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chimney
Looks like I slipped a bit off-course here. Nevertheless, I always considered BT to be one of the early trance pioneers untill later on when he switches style - however of this epic house style...I'm a bit clueless. |
The problem for me was that tracks like Loving You More, although trancey, were irrefutably house, resembling the early Renaissance sound. There's a whole body of this stuff- I've got close to 200 tracks from the mid-90s that one person would call trance and the other person would call house. These tracks were influential to later trance but if you look at the period immediately preceding them, it's obvious they came out of progressive and vocal house of the early 90s. I was reading a lot of comments by old clubbers who'd been around at the time when I stumbled across this recurring term "epic house" used to describe this body of music. A bit of research revealed it was Mixmag's term. In a recent issue they had a feature on short-lived fads in the 90s, and epic house was listed as one of them, because this "Is it house, it it trance?" style only really happened for a couple of years: 1995 and 1996, with a couple of forerunners in the years before and a couple of late entries in the years afterwards.
But I'm not surpised you haven't heard of it. It was a short-lived style and only BT's Ima is still in print to represent the style. I think the likes of Sasha and Digweed are a bit embarrassed now about playing this kind of thing- if Sasha would famously say "I don't play trance" in 2002 then he would hardly want to admit to playing Billie Ray Martin, so this era is passed over.
It's been my mission over the past year or so to remind everyone on TA of that gap in the history books. |
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| Chimney |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The problem for me was that tracks like Loving You More, although trancey, were irrefutably house, resembling the early Renaissance sound. There's a whole body of this stuff- I've got close to 200 tracks from the mid-90s that one person would call trance and the other person would call house. These tracks were influential to later trance but if you look at the period immediately preceding them, it's obvious they came out of progressive and vocal house of the early 90s. I was reading a lot of comments by old clubbers who'd been around at the time when I stumbled across this recurring term "epic house" used to describe this body of music. A bit of research revealed it was Mixmag's term. In a recent issue they had a feature on short-lived fads in the 90s, and epic house was listed as one of them, because this "Is it house, it it trance?" style only really happened for a couple of years: 1995 and 1996, with a couple of forerunners in the years before and a couple of late entries in the years afterwards.
But I'm not surpised you haven't heard of it. It was a short-lived style and only BT's Ima is still in print to represent the style. I think the likes of Sasha and Digweed are a bit embarrassed now about playing this kind of thing- if Sasha would famously say "I don't play trance" in 2002 then he would hardly want to admit to playing Billie Ray Martin, so this era is passed over.
It's been my mission over the past year or so to remind everyone on TA of that gap in the history books. |
Many classics and good tracks are know not only to slip unnoticed but not to gain any attention, however for an entire genré to dissapear out of the blue especially after having some influence upon what house is today is kind of strange. Unlike trance it seems that house still has some of its integrity left while its sister genré trance, colapsed now into a pile of stereotypical radio garbage. Kinda ironic for a style that was meant to represent the suburban hypnotic club-scene in the late 80s/early 90s.
I guess that for that time when epic-house existed, producers wanted, as today to be able to fusion trance and house together, simply creating a new sound. However the fact that it dissapeared shows that either they didn't succeed or that the audience at that stage was not mature for the particular sound, I for one will not comment on this untill further documentation.
Maybe it's time for someone to bring it back. Maybe we're mature now and able to revive a lost sound. |
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