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The End of the War on Terror? (pg. 2)
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
yeah, so? |
Islamic revolution is alive and well. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Islamic revolution is alive and well. |
so i should just take your word for it?
how do you, Krypton, "watch Afghanistan"? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
so i should just take your word for it?
how do you, Krypton, "watch Afghanistan"? |
Never take my word for anything as I don't of anyone else.
How do I watch Afghanistan you ask?
1. http://icasualties.org/oef/
2. CLICK
3. CLICK
...just to name a few...
2008 is the deadliest year for coalition forces in Afghanistan. A country ruled by corrupt war lords who only play democracy as a means to their selfish ends...
http://www.warlordsofafghanistan.com/ |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Never take my word for anything as I don't of anyone else.
How do I watch Afghanistan you ask?
1. http://icasualties.org/oef/
2. CLICK
3. CLICK
...just to name a few...
2008 is the deadliest year for coalition forces in Afghanistan. A country ruled by corrupt war lords who only play democracy as a means to their selfish ends...
http://www.warlordsofafghanistan.com/ |
first off, i don't buy into the current, imo, sensationalism about Afghanistan. i don't think it's as dire as advertized IOW, just an evolution of the conflict.
none of that gets to cause of the issue in Afghanistan and how it's gotten where it is. NATO is the problem in Afghanistan. the NATO countries' rules of engagement is the cause of the problem coalition forces are being taken advantage of. the Taliban would be nothing if they were on any other terrain in the world, but theyre not. we operate where they've been for almost two decades of free reign. thats where we, not just NATO, are sorely disadvantaged.
people (journalists) are making huge mistakes equating Afghanistan with Iraq and what we should do in Afghanistan what was done in Iraq. the two are, again, completely different animals and NATO countries have been dropping the ball for years now.
but thats not to say the decision to let NATO bear responsibilities in Afghanistan was an unwise one. it was necessary and they're still necessary they just need to be let go. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
first off, i don't buy into the current, imo, sensationalism about Afghanistan. i don't think it's as dire as advertized IOW, just an evolution of the conflict.
none of that gets to cause of the issue in Afghanistan and how it's gotten where it is. NATO is the problem in Afghanistan. the NATO countries' rules of engagement is the cause of the problem coalition forces are being taken advantage of. the Taliban would be nothing if they were on any other terrain in the world, but theyre not. we operate where they've been for almost two decades of free reign. thats where we, not just NATO, are sorely disadvantaged.
people (journalists) are making huge mistakes equating Afghanistan with Iraq and what we should do in Afghanistan what was done in Iraq. the two are, again, completely different animals and NATO countries have been dropping the ball for years now.
but thats not to say the decision to let NATO bear responsibilities in Afghanistan was an unwise one. it was necessary and they're still necessary they just need to be let go. |
My concern isn't with tactics. I don't believe we should have ever occupied the country. Not saying we shouldn't have attacked targets after September or dropped in some forces to capture OBL, but nation building is one hell of a job which Afghanistan sure as doesn't deserve from us. I must be missing something. Our blood and treasure isn't worth ing Afghanistan, and yet, we're there. I have my suspicions...mainly access to Caspian sea energy reserves and thus bypassing Russia, Iran, and China. No country goes to war for some ideal (i.e. democracy), and to say so is really dumbing down whoever has to hear such a niave comment. Every country which has ever gone to war has done so in its own interests, America included. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
My concern isn't with tactics. |
then you're really not saying anything are you? there are a helluva lot more countries in Afghanistan loosing blood and treasure than just us. more actually.
at any rate, you don't think Afghans are worthy. fine.
you think this is mostly about oil. fine.
you think capturing or killing OBL will solve it all. fine.
...but where are you going to be when Afghanistan gets it right? where are you going to be when years pass since we've seen a tape with OBL praising Allah and calling on all Muslims to rise against the infidels but we're still intercepting overseas calls to the US? where are you going to be when we're pumping our own oil or weening off of it altogether? you have to know these things are going to happen and sooner rather than later, right? YOU HAVE TO KNOW. if you don't then are you still going to lecture us on who's naive?
| quote: | | No country goes to war for some ideal (i.e. democracy), and to say so is really dumbing down whoever has to hear such a niave comment. Every country which has ever gone to war has done so in its own interests, America included. |
silly rabbit, thats what war is - a conflict of ideals.
eight years of W standing behind the podium talking about freedom and liberty and nation building and democracy and terror is bad - the same thing over and over again...everything that has happened and the literal millions of people involved and now he's leaving...you're still sitting there with your nose in the air saying you know better than to fall for American interests in the Caspian sea? thats amazing. truly amazing. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
whatever you think Al Queera is now, thats what it has been reduced to.
they were real in Afghanistan. they were real in Iraq, as well as inhuman, but what has been demonstrated is they can be marginalized.
marginalization to Al Queera is a fate worse than death and eventually, hopefully, that will follow in time. |
Thanks for the chuckle.
PS: What the is "Al Queera"? |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
PS: What the is "Al Queera"? |
your mom. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
What? It's hardly a matter of opinion at all. Did you even read the article, or are you just making up? |
What? You think pulling out of Iraq is Obama's idea?? Spare me...:rolleyes: |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
your mom. |
1992 jokes are 1992. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
then you're really not saying anything are you? there are a helluva lot more countries in Afghanistan loosing blood and treasure than just us. more actually.
at any rate, you don't think Afghans are worthy. fine.
you think this is mostly about oil. fine.
you think capturing or killing OBL will solve it all. fine.
...but where are you going to be when Afghanistan gets it right? where are you going to be when years pass since we've seen a tape with OBL praising Allah and calling on all Muslims to rise against the infidels but we're still intercepting overseas calls to the US? where are you going to be when we're pumping our own oil or weening off of it altogether? you have to know these things are going to happen and sooner rather than later, right? YOU HAVE TO KNOW. if you don't then are you still going to lecture us on who's naive? |
When Afghanistan gets it right? :haha: ...You are funny! Yea AFGHANISTAN is going to get it right. The Afghanistan ruled by...14 war lords, many of whom should be tried for war crimes. The Northern Alliance is no less fundamentalist Islam than the Taliban, but you expect liberal democracy to come out of this. LOL. If foreign forces were to leave Afghanistan, that puppet regime would fall like a house of cards.
| quote: | | silly rabbit, thats what war is - a conflict of ideals. |
Bull. Aggressor nations go to war for the same reason throughout history. Plunder. Ideals? Democracy? LOL...Yea, we're spending billions of our dollars and risking American lives so Afghanistan, AFGHANISTAN, can be freeeeeee!:rolleyes: I feel warm and fuzzy inside already...:stongue:
| quote: | | eight years of W standing behind the podium talking about freedom and liberty and nation building and democracy and terror is bad - the same thing over and over again...everything that has happened and the literal millions of people involved and now he's leaving...you're still sitting there with your nose in the air saying you know better than to fall for American interests in the Caspian sea? thats amazing. truly amazing. |
WTF are you talking about. The neoconservative agenda has back fired right in their faces, and here you are still harping on about bull like democracy...for ing Afghanistan of all places. Everyone knows Bush is complete FAILURE. Except you of course...;)
Oh, and they've been trying to build a pipeline for yearrrrrs...CLICK
Democracy? democracy. It's obvious why the NATO powers want Afghanistan so badly. It sure as hell isn't about democracy. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Oh, and they've been trying to build a pipeline for yearrrrrs...CLICK |
so what if Afghanistan wants a pipeline? good for them:conf:
why is that so diabolical? wait, thats right, you think everything your country does is diabolical.:rolleyes: |
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