i was reading about a study they did at this university in berlin the other day, and through a series of tests they determined that animals were capable of emotion and basic reasoning skills. They only tested cats and dogs with about 20 different tests designed especially for this project and all of the findings lead to you being wrong 17sss. They do feel anger, sadness, love, jealousy, and these reactions are not learned but inbeded in their instincts.
lücid
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Originally posted by The17sss
The male especially "talks" to us for like 6 hours with an expanded range of weird sounds. It's like he's lecturing us or blasting us for leaving him....lol.
lol, that's exactly what i've been dealing with for the last two days!
Saka
I stood on a dogs foot by accident, and it yelped.
I conclude animals have feelings, and that I do, as I felt bad for what I had done, and gave it a biscuit.
/thread.
nefardec
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Originally posted by PETRAN
Thats actually a common misconception. Emotions are actually guided by thoughts. It is no strange that humans have the richest emotional palette. Simple feelings and emotions are two different things.
yes, and thought is often (mis)guided by one's conditioning. trapped in our self consciousness, there is really no such thing as true rationalism.
The17sss
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Originally posted by elFreak
all of the findings lead to you being wrong 17sss. They do feel anger, sadness, love, jealousy, and these reactions are not learned but inbeded in their instincts.
:conf: I was merely speculating. My thought was that they do experience what we refer to as "feelings" but not to the depth/degree that people do. But I was asking what other people might think or know... not trying to make a factual statement.
elFreak
It was in a french psychology magazine my girlfriend reads, i'll try and get some info on the study for you when she gets home. It is actually pretty interesting, and some of the tests they did were pretty ingenious.
PETRAN
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Originally posted by elFreak
i was reading about a study they did at this university in berlin the other day, and through a series of tests they determined that animals were capable of emotion
So, you mean you are...capable...of... emotion!?
elFreak
no i am italian, i am only capable of blue steel and magnum.
PETRAN
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
As self-aware beings we have the capacity to think about thinking though. Our emotions are doubtless more intricate than animals, but my point is that if an animal feels love it is probably going to feel it more cleanly because it isn't constantly thinking about that feeling.
I'm not denying that animal "love" towards an owner is very simple and pretty unconditional, but if you think about it, that's just consistency of feeling. With someone you love, you'll always feel conflicting emotions from time to time- anger, frustration, jealousy and so on, but it's very rare I feel my dog is sulking with me.
Besides, human thought is shaped by language where animal thought is not. "Love" is a word and you have to think about what the word means, which is open to all the potential forces of semiotics and deconstruction. Animals don't have language in the sense of a semiotic system, so there is less abstraction and more directness in their thoughts and consequently feelings.
Yeah i get what you say. I'm just saying that the ability to feel some complex emotions like..."contempt" is driven by the fact that humans have more complex thinking processes. The experienced emotions depend on the interpretation of a situation or the interpretation of a more basic feeling (usually both). Even the concept of "love" is probably more complex in humans, due probably to this higher capability for thought (and "love" is different and more complex than simple "liking" or simple "affection" etc). We have to distinquish between the capability for experiencing feelings and some basic emotions (that many animals can be capable to a certain degree) and the various types of emotions rising from various perceptions and interpretations.
What you say though is about the conscious intensity and purity of the experienced emotion and this may be true. I have red a study once which stated that human infants and children are more conscious of their feelings but i can't remember where i saw that (and it seems to be similar with what you say).
nefardec
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Originally posted by PETRAN
Even the concept of "love" is probably more complex in humans
there are so many conceptions of love though. for instance, I believe love is a simple emotion like joy, whereas in society it is common to associate love with fear (via security) and with many other concepts such as lust, pride, envy, etc
ps please don't post a haddaway youtube video
PETRAN
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Originally posted by elFreak
no i am italian, i am only capable...
Hey, don't get too emotional...
PETRAN
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Originally posted by nefardec
there are so many conceptions of love though. for instance, I believe love is a simple emotion like joy, whereas in society it is common to associate love with fear (via security) and with many other concepts such as lust, pride, envy, etc
