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Differences between sub genres (pg. 3)
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
People generally are very lazy, finding the kind've music your looking for should be as easy as possible to an extent. |
i will agree with you on the first part, and then disagree with you on the last part.
this is a really sad state of affairs when music has become so degraded and subject to such laziness.
it doesnt have to be this way |
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Subgenres are great, just so long as it doesn't make artists try and stick within the rules too much. Just try and categorise the music AFTER its made please. |
IMO that's part of the problem. Many sub-genres were 'invented' AFTER the music was made and by that tracks are covering multiple genres, which is confusing. Good Ishkur example: Faithless - Insomnia |
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| Darkarbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-MB
IMO that's part of the problem. Many sub-genres were 'invented' AFTER the music was made and by that tracks are covering multiple genres, which is confusing. Good Ishkur example: Faithless - Insomnia |
Then you say it's in multiple subgenres. Thats not confusing. That at least rules out 3/4 of what its not within the genre. |
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| Whirloop |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
genres are a big joke |
And that idea killed good trance music.
Nothing better than the exclusive feeling genres can give, something to be proud about being part of. Today it's just 'edm' and nothing turned out good anyway. What's so wrong about knowing music styles and to know what you like yourself? Todays scene if full of general listeners who 'goes about anything', not very fun is it...
Genre obsession can also mean perfection within a genre, not limitation like many people believe. Evolution will happen in the end no mather what. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Whirloop
And that idea killed good trance music.
Nothing better than the exclusive feeling genres can give, something to be proud about being part of. Today it's just 'edm' and nothing turned out good anyway. What's so wrong about knowing music styles and to know what you like yourself? Todays scene if full of general listeners who 'goes about anything', not very fun is it...
Genre obsession can also mean perfection within a genre, not limitation like many people believe. Evolution will happen in the end no mather what. |
On the contrary, EDM sub-genres were never as far seperated as of today e.g. trance with techno or even psy with epic trance. You'll not likely see a current techno dj dropping a trance or progressive track in the end of the set or anything like that. You'll not likely see a deep techno track with a saw line, or a fast trance track with jazzy chords.I guess that it is natural up to a certain extend but i thing it happens more in comparison to other genres of music due to the marketing behing each of the EDM (sub-)genres |
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| Whirloop |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
On the contrary, EDM sub-genres were never as far seperated as of today e.g. trance with techno or even psy with epic trance. You'll not likely see a current techno dj dropping a trance or progressive track in the end of the set or anything like that. You'll not likely see a deep techno track with a saw line, or a fast trance track with jazzy chords.I guess that it is natural up to a certain extend but i thing it happens more in comparison to other genres of music due to the marketing behing each of the EDM (sub-)genres |
Not mixing 'outside' genres in a set won't ruin it.
What's creative with mixing genres anyway. Everyone can do it, but in most cases the result is awful. I think many people see 'evolution' as when several genres comes together. Not saying it's not true, but there are other ways to be creative as well. |
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| Barachem |
I think the segregation between subgenres could be another impulse dfor creativity as well as the fusion between (sub)genres.
Whirloop, i see your point clearly.
Maybe going to purer Epic Trance (as an example) might result in something very unique, instead of trying to mix it up with everything else and getting a bland result.
One genre should not be made purer, and that is the genre of ty ASOT tunes. :whip: (sorry, i do bash on this too, but it's too bland and generic to be purified, as it already is the purification of blandness and tiness.) |
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| Whirloop |
Sorry for being offtopic, but a good set builds on energy.
Or more precise, the energy created in the set will feed the dancefloor.
Mixing genres will not generate energy in general, it highly depends on the situation and manner (like most things.) Predictable music patterns can be very useful if someone is really deep in the music.
As for me myself personally i had very good times with more up-tempo electro stuff because it was very easy to sync with, wich led to energy buildup. When thinking about it the patterns are very similar to fullon psytrance, perhaps the reason why they are so popular on the floor. It helps the dancers dance, not confusing them with unfamiliar patterns.
And perhaps the most important thing is, good sets should actually make you forget about all this (for a moment), you know that "don't give a " feeling and totally go with the flow. But there has to be a good starting point wich can be a defined genre.
Let's not forget, music taste is very much based upon associations to things we like. That can be a certain genre you have such strong connection and dedication to. Then genres and music styles will help you.
Depending on gear, DJs can be creative with just regular tracks that sounds pretty much the same. Chopping and rearrangeing individual tracks (something many djs won't do because they feel the original mix is sacred or something), megamix-style mixing by playing two tracks as one, throw in samples of your own ect. I know DJs might find it hard to do such things for each gig, but i'm just talking principles here. Just simple beat matching transitions are not very creative, yes. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Whirloop
And that idea killed good trance music.
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right...
when trance music 'was born' it wasn't even a genre, just a subtle stylistic variant of techno.
the burden is on you to define 'trance music' and 'good' if you make this argument.
good producers don't give a about 'genre', all they care about is 'music'. the only people who care about genres are insecure people, ignorant people, and people who lack creativity. that is, people who need to feel like they belong to something because they are missing something inside themselves, so they exclude everything else from the thing which they think defines them, people who don't know music or artists well enough or are too lazy to research on their own, so they use other people's definitions, or people who aren't real musicians who copy a set of principles and techniques from others to make something which is a passable simulation of music. |
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| Chimney |
| There are only two types of music. Good and bad. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chimney
There are only two types of music. Good and bad. |
those aren't types of music, those are opinions subject to a wide range of influences.
but i do believe there are some things which are indelible to 'good music', such as a range of emotional content, dynamics, a scalar variation of texture/interplay of striation and smoothness, mathematical principles of harmony, harmonic movements, rhythmic figures, and of course visceral and numinous sounds which have innate responses in the body and psyche - and counter to all of this, the meaningful 'lack thereof' |
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| paulandrews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Barachem
Maybe going to purer Epic Trance (as an example) |
What is that supposed to mean?
| quote: | | ...might result in something very unique |
How? First, you would have to define what pure epic trance is - strict rules basically, because everyone's definition of pure epic trance differs - which would then impose limitations on all the artists' creative work, and that's hardly a way to make unique music. |
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