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Guantanamo Is Closing (pg. 4)
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| The17sss |
OOOOPS! Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.
Obama's Pentagon review: Gitmo legally meets the standards of the Geneva Conventions:
| quote: | A Pentagon review of conditions in the Guantanamo Bay military prison has concluded that the treatment of detainees meets the requirements of the Geneva Convention but that prisoners in the highest-security camps should be allowed more religious and social interaction with each other, according to a government official who has read the 85-page document.
The report, which was ordered by President Obama, was prepared by Adm. Patrick M. Walsh, the vice chief of naval operations, and has been delivered to the White House. Obama requested the review as part of an executive order on the planned closure of the prison at the Guantanamo Bay U.S. naval base on the southeastern tip of Cuba.
Walsh concluded that force-feeding, which involves strapping prisoners to feeding chairs and forcing tubes down one nostril and into their stomachs, is in compliance the Geneva Convention's mandate that the lives of prisoners must be preserved, the government official said. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...prss=rss_nation
Even more ass backwards is this.
Obama Administration: Detainess have no Constitutional rights.
| quote: | Detainees being held at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan cannot use US courts to challenge their detention, the US says.
The justice department ruled that some 600 so-called enemy combatants at Bagram have no constitutional rights.
Most have been arrested in Afghanistan on suspicion of waging a terrorist war against the US.
The ruling has disappointed human rights lawyers who had hoped the Obama administration would take a different line to that of George W Bush.
Prof Barbara Olshansky, the lead counsel in a legal challenge on behalf of four Bagram detainees, told the BBC the justice department's decision not to reform the rules was both surprising and "enormously disappointing". |
The exact quote from the Barack Obama-era Department of Justice? "Having considered the matter, the government adheres to its previously articulated position."
The DoJ and the DoD consider Bagram detainees "unlawful combatants" without any rights to access the US court system and with no recourse for release... just as it did in the George Bush administration.
Remember how the Left considered Bush a war criminal for taking this exact position? I do.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7903005.stm |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
OOOOPS! Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.
Obama's Pentagon review: Gitmo legally meets the standards of the Geneva Conventions:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...prss=rss_nation
Even more ass backwards is this.
Obama Administration: Detainess have no Constitutional rights.
The exact quote from the Barack Obama-era Department of Justice? "Having considered the matter, the government adheres to its previously articulated position."
The DoJ and the DoD consider Bagram detainees "unlawful combatants" without any rights to access the US court system and with no recourse for release... just as it did in the George Bush administration.
Remember how the Left considered Bush a war criminal for taking this exact position? I do.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7903005.stm |
Bush is a war criminal...
1. Tortured hundreds of prisoners.
2. Initiated a war of aggression.
Same crimes the Nazi leadership were convicted of at Nuremburg. |
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| pmoisse |
Disappointing to say the least :(
Why not have an external review of Gitmo legality instead of an in-house one? Oh wait, they probably would have declared it illegal or advisded that the prisoners get Geneva convention rights or something.
I think it was already mentioned in this thread, but why can't the many Department of Corrections SuperMax facilities host these baddest-of-the-bad? Would putting them there require giving them the same rights to due process as any other inmate? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| It's misleading to pin the Pentagon review on Obama (remember who is in charge over there - Gates), but the Bagram stuff is disappointing to say the least. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Bush is a war criminal...
1. Tortured hundreds of prisoners. |
He personally tortured them? (don't worry, I know what you me). This torture debate could go on forever and I don't want to start down that line.
| quote: | | 2. Initiated a war of aggression. |
as opposed to a war of pacificism? :cool: |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
It's misleading to pin the Pentagon review on Obama (remember who is in charge over there - Gates), but the Bagram stuff is disappointing to say the least. |
huh? re-read paragraph 2 in the quoted article.
| quote: | | The report, which was ordered by President Obama, was prepared by Adm. Patrick M. Walsh, the vice chief of naval operations, and has been delivered to the White House. Obama requested the review as part of an executive order on the planned closure of the prison at the Guantanamo Bay U.S. naval base on the southeastern tip of Cuba |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
huh? re-read paragraph 2 in the quoted article. |
Ordered, not prepared. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
It's misleading to pin the Pentagon review on Obama (remember who is in charge over there - Gates), |
Obama didn't write the Geneva Conventions either, what is your point?
...and just who do you think is Gates' boss?
you've been fed an agenda concerning Gitmo. one based on flimsy, sometimes non-existent legal precedent. that agenda was not determined by our President despite what he claimed in order for you to vote for him to become our President. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
He personally tortured them? (don't worry, I know what you mean). This torture debate could go on forever and I don't want to start down that line. |
You smart ass..:p
This book explains it all...;)
| quote: | | as opposed to a war of pacificism? :cool: |
lol, wars of aggression are war crimes, as detailed in the Nuremburg Trials...;) |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
Obama didn't write the Geneva Conventions either, what is your point?
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That I wouldn't attribute the writing of this report or the Geneva Conventions to Obama. What's your point?
| quote: | | you've been fed an agenda concerning Gitmo. one based on flimsy, sometimes non-existent legal precedent. that agenda was not determined by our President despite what he claimed in order for you to vote for him to become our President. |
I'm not even sure what you're arguing here. That Guantanamo isn't a powerful symbol, or that the closing of Guantanamo wouldn't do more for American public diplomacy than anything since Inauguration Day? |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
What's your point? |
that you're not in ANY position intellectually to determine wtf is "misleading" or not.
| quote: | | I'm not even sure what you're arguing here. That Guantanamo isn't a powerful symbol, or that the closing of Guantanamo wouldn't do more for American public diplomacy than anything since Inauguration Day? |
the problem here is you and other followers of the agenda (read, sheep) think public perception is the law. thats just not the case.
you and the followers irrationally believe that somehow if you scream loud enough you become the law. |
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| The17sss |
| you know how it works, Q... the squeeky wheel gets the grease. Just look at the muslims' success in England with that. |
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