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| Takkra |
The dutchies, ah if it isn't the land of cheese, pot and trance.
However progressive The Netherlands may be on the area of trance, this so called progress also brought new potential dangers to the dance scene.
Quite some time ago, Tiesto(remember who he is?) released a track called; 'Elements of Life' containing a breathtaking, goosebumps-inducing-melody.
Big, Big, BIG suck for Dj Michel de Jong, who sent his track 'swiwal' to BlackHole Recs, a few months before Tiesto's superhit release. As it appears that our once favourite DJ/Producer 'borrowed' a set of notes from his melody. The full 64 bars to be more precisely.
Ofcourse Michel de Jong didn't let the chance go by and sued Tiesto and Black Hole Recordings with Moszkowicz on his side.
( orginal article;click here )
I've been following it for some time now, because it got really interesting. According to new Dutch law, a 'track steal' can only be called plagiarism if you use the exact same sequence of 16 notes of the main melody. This only goes for the lead, to be determined by the executive artist. Percussion, and thus beats can not be copyrighted. |
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| djsphere |
| this is bull.........tiesto doesn't even listen to the demos sent to blackhole. |
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| Tom Scott |
| I can't read dutch, what exactly happened in the end with the lawsuit, or is it still going on? |
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| adi_hanson |
this was a while back right , and micheal even posted up a youtube vid in disgust.
Tiesto wont of listened to it , one of his a&r's would of passed it to him , Or does this confirm he has a bunch of writers??
dan dan daaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn |
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| goodtime |
| well, well. What to do, what to do? |
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| Rinster |
| kon Tiesto niet meer met zijn eigen noten spelen? haha.. |
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| Bayou Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by adi_hanson
this was a while back right , and micheal even posted up a youtube vid in disgust.
Tiesto wont of listened to it , one of his a&r's would of passed it to him , Or does this confirm he has a bunch of writers??
dan dan daaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn |
seriously....how much time can tiesto actually have on his hands, with all the touring that he does. I know how long it takes me to make a track and I'm not using a studio for vocals and stuff like that. He might not have writers making the whole song, but I'm sure he has someone doing the grunt work....some is giving it the magikal touch. |
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| Subtle |
| I`d be flattered if anyone copied me. |
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| adi_hanson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
I`d be flattered if anyone copied me. |
even if it was put to they're ferrari fund and not yours?
i can see why people get miffed at this sorta stuff |
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| Fundamental |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fundamental
I`d be flattered if anyone copied me. |
Well said, me!
I saw this when he put up the YouTube video. Any update on the lawsuit? |
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| Takkra |
The lawsuit is currently still passively running, and according to Moszkowicz (the dutch lawyer for the Nathalie Holloway case iirc) it seems that Michel de Jong is on the winning hand. He also stated he wasn't in it for jealousy nor money for his client, but it was a case about recognition.
Only the most important point that I was trying to state was;
a 'track steal' can only be called plagiarism if you use the exact same sequence of 16 notes of the main melody. This only goes for the lead, to be determined by the executive artist. Percussion, and thus beats can not be copyrighted. Meaning you could, for example, sample the beat from Lethal Industry, the percs from Airwave, and just get away with it. Hell you could even use the lead from Lethal Industry if you would only just change ONE note.
It's not like i'm intensively following the lawsuit, but our newspaper has some updates on it once in a while. (Imagine the kind of news we get:p) |
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| Rinster |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
so what, if mdj's song was so great then people would listen to it anyway.
music is music. So people live crappy meaningless lives while others live it up where others may envy.
So what. There are bigger things to despise in life, like general limitation, timelessness and deprivation.
It is impossible to know what really happened. All this copyright bs is just that.
It isn't the first time there has been a lawsuit, although I have spontaneously made note sequences like other songs before, and it wasn't intentional. 64 note is not a lot. when there are only 14 or so notes 14 x 14 x 14 x 14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14 x14
or something like that when you have arpegations or repeat notes, modal norms and melodic harmony reduces the posibilities of good sounding notes a lot.
You take the chance of someone else using your material if you make it available.
fk this bs pisses me off so much, buy a gun it costs less than a lawyer.
Thing is on the flip side organized crime could have just as easily made an accident happen then there is no one to wine. Obviously if he intended to rip it, he didn't try to get rid of the evidence.
If I was ripping people I'd make sure they RIPed.
Although obviously since I don't intend to ever make money from my music I'm not concerned. We live we die, nuff said. Life is what it is.
If a better track was made, justice has been served.
If this were the case, looks like he got labled --- err sorta.
Honestly I could care less if anyone ripped my tracks, I've said this before.
Do you know how many people have freely traded copyrighted songs?
Did mdj ever use p2p?
Have you?
People just need to ask me for my music and I provide it.
If you don't send it to the lable they won't hear it. If you send it they do, and then it is existing for them, there is no way around that part. Either you release your own music or you depend on other people.
Frankly elements of life isn't that good imo. It plays as fill in my mind. |
anybody else think this guy is funny? |
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