Through out that whole post DJ, this is all the diffusion of Political mind states.
Islamically the woman has the right to a divorce without having to give any reason for it.
I'm sorry for actually saying something that isn't meant to make people lather hate on Islam/Muslims, when a story like this comes out this gives Islamaphobes an opportunity to come out of the closet, who am I to rain on their sad little parade?
Maybe I should start dishing hate out at westerners everytime there is a war or something the US government caused, heck, why a war? Every time someone is wrongly executed or murdered. Maybe I'll diversify it, blame Christians too while I'm at it.
Apparently painting in broad brushstrokes is the best way to go
And re: Aisha story (because I havn't heard this a million times)
Want to take a wild guess what the relative ages of Mary and Joseph probably were when their marriage contract was signed?
Because it was probably about the same. Parents frequently arranged for their daughter's future by finding her a husband when she was very young, even under 10 y/o. An auspicious marriage would be to a man with an established career, often meaning he's a decade or more older than his bride. If he's particularly renowned, he's likely to be even older.
Moving in together and commencing with the baby-making would happen when she's in her early/mid teens, and he's probably 30+.
That's the ancient Mediterranean for you. People were effectively social adults when they were about 12. For girls this meant marriage. For boys, to build a career and save money so one day they can afford marriage.
DJ Damerchi
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Originally posted by haqq
Through out that whole post DJ, this is all the diffusion of Political mind states.
Islamically the woman has the right to a divorce without having to give any reason for it.
I agree with you about the divorce, the right is not so equal however...men have more of an ease and are much less likely to be questioned in their motive. I dont see a woman being able to say talak x 3-end of question
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Maybe I should start dishing hate out at westerners everytime there is a war or something the US government caused, heck, why a war? Every time someone is wrongly executed or murdered. Maybe I'll diversify it, blame Christians too while I'm at it.
nope, you should just blame the individual parties responsible for any unjust action. i dont personally hate republicans just because i didn't support many of the tactics of the bush administration. I don't beleive in "all or nothing" labelling of people.
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And re: Aisha story (because I havn't heard this a million times)
Want to take a wild guess what the relative ages of Mary and Joseph probably were when their marriage contract was signed?
Because it was probably about the same. Parents frequently arranged for their daughter's future by finding her a husband when she was very young, even under 10 y/o. An auspicious marriage would be to a man with an established career, often meaning he's a decade or more older than his bride. If he's particularly renowned, he's likely to be even older.
is this supposed to justify his(prohphet's) paedophilic behaviour?
look, as long as we can agree on the fact that this is wrong(in saudi), then that's all that matters really. the only difference is that I think it's technically a proper interpretation of the religion whereas you do not.
Malaysia is better than most of the islamic world...but it is only 60 percent muslim. according to 17sss, their royalty knows how to party.
no doubt! Back in June, we were getting a personal tour of the Prince's new house, we went downstairs to the play room for the little kids and grandkids... there is a massive mirror on one wall that is like 40 feet long. The Prince touched the top left corner of the mirror and part of the ing wall opened up and turned around like in Batman's house or something. Inside that room was a private mini nightclub! Awesome bar loaded with top-shelf everything, a full DJ booth set up with 2 Pioneer DVJ 1000's and a great mixer and sound system, flat screen tv's, a dancefloor, and all white Armani leather furniture.
Haha... it was like 2:00 in the daytime and my parents, my wife and I, and a couple business partners are all sitting around bullting with the Prince and his wife, his son who's 30 and in line to be King in about 20 years was mixing drinks for everyone, and his daughter who's like 21 started spinning on the decks. For me, who grew up in a middle class family, it was pretty surreal.
Krypton
ahhhh, royalty.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by haqq
Want to take a wild guess what the relative ages of Mary and Joseph probably were when their marriage contract was signed?
are you saying that jehovah impregnated a 9 year old girl?
pkcRAISTLIN
Magnetonium
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AWESOME clip, PKC, thanks for sharing. Good summary in a nutshell of the situation around that poor Dutchman. :D :D :D
Memories of brutal stabbing murder of Theo van Gogh by an Islamic radical in broad daylight for making a movie on women's rights in Islam are still strong in my mind ...
You know, I fear sooner or later this can one day spill over into a pogrom, if this issue is not properly dealt with. The guy has a good point in the video.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3974179.stm
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Gunman kills Dutch film director
Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh
Van Gogh directed TV series and wrote newspaper columns
Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh, who made a controversial film about Islamic culture, has been stabbed and shot dead in Amsterdam, Dutch police say.
Police arrested a man in a nearby park after an exchange of gunfire. The man, aged 26, had joint Dutch and Moroccan nationality, they said.
Van Gogh, 47, had received death threats after his film Submission was shown on Dutch TV.
It portrayed violence against women in Islamic societies.
The film was made with liberal Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali refugee who fled an arranged marriage.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been under police protection since the film was aired. She has also received death threats and has renounced the Islamic faith.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an outspoken critic of Islam
Eyewitnesses quoted by Radio Netherlands said Van Gogh was attacked while cycling by a man dressed in a traditional Moroccan jallaba.
Both the suspect and a policeman suffered bullet wounds and are now in hospital.
Van Gogh - who was related to the famous Dutch painter - had also been making a film about Pim Fortuyn, the populist right-wing, anti-immigration politician assassinated in May 2002.
Film controversy
The film Submission told the story of a Muslim woman forced into an arranged marriage who is abused by her husband and raped by her uncle. It triggered an outcry from Dutch Muslims.
In one scene the film showed an actress in see-through garments with Koranic script written on her body, which also bore whip marks.
The Netherlands is home to nearly one million Muslims or 5.5% of the population.
One of the film maker's colleagues at the film production company said Van Gogh had received death threats "but he never took them quite seriously".
"He was a controversial figure and a champion of free speech," he told Reuters.
Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said "it is unacceptable if expressing your opinion would be the cause of this brutal murder".
"On a day like this we are reminded of the murder of Fortuyn. We cannot resign ourselves to such a climate, " he added.
And Queen Beatrix said she was shocked and appalled at the killing, AFP news agency reported.
BARS-N-STARS
Pat Condell is a very smart man. So is Geert Wilders.
BARS-N-STARS
Her is some of those so called womens rights I keep hearing about. This guy is a piece of and should step out of the 7th century.
