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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by haqq
Its good the British Government banned this Neo-Nazi with a twist, instead of being an extremist anti-semitic he's an extremist anti-Muslim, into the country to stir up tensions and just create problems when there is so much effort to create more inter-faith harmony.
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of all the people in the world to call somone a neonazi...
anyways Haqq, you speak of people misenterpreting the words of god that commit attrocious acts. I think there are many moderate muslims, but no moderate Islam. Those who are moderate are either conciously rejecting a load of material(many medina suras and supplementary hadiths), or are unaware of whats going on in the structure and edicts of the religion. tbh, the vast majority of people i know have their own interpretation of islam, which is ok if it helps them live a better life while not hurting others, but they should able to say this is not true islam. Its almost like they are afraid to admit this fact to themselves...
half of these politicians that go home at night know this, no one can come out and say this without being tarnished. Instead they use cliche plugs like"Islam is a religion of peace" and "islam accepts other beliefs", "these terrorists are not muslims!"...I am of the school that many of these jihadists are on the right track in accordance with islam in its purest form. martryrdom is a 100 percent guarantee to paradise, whereas living your life, praying all the time, and banging only your wife, is not.
i think that as a politian, you should really think twice about going into these sensitive areas if you are making a film. maybe if he was a shadow producer he could have gotten away with it. I honestly think he may have indeed wanted a stirrup like this, making him the new age Salman Rushdie or something.
Geert Wilders just fell into the scapegoat role at the right place at the right time-there are much better docs that portray these points in a less offensive manner. |
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| haqq |
| quote: | Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS
You are right. There is enough tension in the UK. You can thank the Muslims for that. I feel its time for the UK to stop trying to be politicaly correct. I wouldnt have a problem with Muslims moving there but they should leave their laws where you left them. Invading someones culture like that is exactly what he has stated about the Quran. Take over and domination. Its ok for Muslims to be this way towards the UK but it isnt ok for Israel to take its stance in the Middle East. Typical Muslim double standard. Just like Dubai. Quran in one hand and a casino in the other. :rolleyes: I cant wait to see how they handle the non smoking ban for Muslims in Malaysia. I do know Asians in countries like that LOVE their cancer sticks. |
Yeah so lets talk from your idealism. Blacks are violent so what we should generalize the whole population and round them up and boat them back to Africa? I can't believe people still think like this nonsense.
You want to hear double standards?
- You invaded our country (not the other way around)
- You strip us from our cultures
So when we seek refuge from your violent acts to a peaceful country in the western side of the world we should be rejected?
That is like the UK saying "hey Indians leave our country" lets go back in history and see who was in whose country first stripping them of their cultures. |
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| haqq |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Damerchi
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of all the people in the world to call somone a neonazi... |
Ouch! haha:D
| quote: | | I am of the school that many of these jihadists are on the right track in accordance with islam in its purest form. martryrdom is a 100 percent guarantee to paradise, whereas living your life, praying all the time, and banging only your wife, is not. |
Not entirely true.
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Five are regarded as martyrs: They are those who die because of plague, abdominal disease, drowning or a falling building etc., and the martyrs in Allah's Cause."
Martyrdom is not just blowing yourself up. Additionally...
You cannot take a single verse translation and twist it to mean that Quran asks for killing.
If your thoughts are considered right then what would you say about Pope Urban's Crusades, does Christianity call foe elimination of MUSLIMS. He had also used Bible for the purpose.
At some places in Quran, killing and war, Jihad is discussed for those, who persecuted Muslims for years and years, and these verses were specific for those, who come to you to kill, or have killed Muslims etc. and referring to maintain justice and just society. Since, you have not quoted the verses, I am referring in general the verse most commonly misunderstood and quoted.
When Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) conquered Mecca, he forgave all non Muslims even those who had killed his close associates and relatives, some in a barbaric fashion, Refer any history book of your choice.
Caliph Umar on the request of Jews for religious persecution liberated the present day site of Israel and did not kill a single Christian or Jew and mediated a Treaty between Christian and Jews enabling them to pray on their Holy Sites Muslims being In charge and watching that the treaty is honored.
People with limited exposure, busy life style to meet ends needs, if get an opportunity to ponder and study Islam, they will find that the way to salvation in Islam is good deeds and having abundance of them, and just like every religion, physical war or Jihad has defined meanin, rules of engagement and is only to eliminate persecution and human agony against the forces of evil and participating in that kind of war is permissible and is source of rewards and pleasure of Almighty, but to kill innocent people in Islam is the gravest sin considered unforgivable irrespective of faith. human life is considered sacred in Islam. |
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| BARS-N-STARS |
| quote: | Originally posted by haqq You want to hear double standards?
- You invaded our country (not the other way around)
- You strip us from our cultures |
You are right. I wish America would mind its business. Next time a tsunami flattens a 3rd world country again I say screw em. Not our problem. You see I am a Nationalist. I respect where I live and its surroundings. I dont litter the streets of America with violence and hate because of whats happening back in Serbia.
What cultures are we stripping you of? Does it bother you that little girls can get an Education now. Beating your wife is criminalized. That Iraqis can vote. Maybe some day they can add freedom of religon . I can go on and on.
Only reason there are so many Muslims is because they dont have a choice. Geert Wilders is right. We need to start doing something about it because civilized Muslims are too scared to. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS
You are right. I wish America would mind its business. Next time a tsunami flattens a 3rd world country again I say screw em. Not our problem. You see I am a Nationalist. I respect where I live and its surroundings. I dont litter the streets of America with violence and hate because of whats happening back in Serbia.
What cultures are we stripping you of? Does it bother you that little girls can get an Education now. Beating your wife is criminalized. That Iraqis can vote. Maybe some day they can add freedom of religon . I can go on and on.
Only reason there are so many Muslims is because they dont have a choice. Geert Wilders is right. We need to start doing something about it because civilized Muslims are too scared to. |
Are you bothered by millions of Iraqis made refugees and the hundreds of thousands DEAD? |
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| BARS-N-STARS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Are you bothered by millions of Iraqis made refugees and the hundreds of thousands DEAD? |
Whats the point of even asking that? |
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| BARS-N-STARS |
| quote: | Originally posted by haqq
Wow... I cried a little.
But in all seriousness, I agree with a lot of this article.
My grandfather whom I talk to that currently lives in Afghanistan, after I told him the "soldiers need to leave our country!"
"Son... son... Believe it or not without these soldiers in our land, there would be a lot of bloodshed and chaos. Turn off the TV, throw away that newspaper and get information from a primary source. I've been living here since the soviets were trying to invade till the Taliban corruption. I've seen it all, and all I can say is... thank you God and thank you brave Soldiers." (paraphrased)
After these words I had an epiphany(sp?).
May God grant all the brave Soldiers the highest of heavens. |
Talk about a double standard. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS
Whats the point of even asking that?
Does it bother you that little girls can get an Education now. Beating your wife is criminalized. That Iraqis can vote. Maybe some day they can add freedom of religon . I can go on and on.
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Who cares if Iraqis can vote if it cost hundreds of thousands dead and millions of refugees? To hell with democracy if that's what it costs. Especially forced democracy. |
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| BARS-N-STARS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Who cares if Iraqis can vote if it cost hundreds of thousands dead and millions of refugees? To hell with democracy if that's what it costs. Especially forced democracy. |
Like I said America should mind its own business. But then again maybe should have been born a woman in that country.
Ill give my life for my kids Democracy any day. |
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| BARS-N-STARS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Who cares if Iraqis can vote if it cost hundreds of thousands dead and millions of refugees? To hell with democracy if that's what it costs. Especially forced democracy. |
Besides. Explain to me how you compare those numbers of deaths to voting? Try taking a look at the real problem. Saddam Hussein and what he has done. I gotta hear you make an excuse for this guy. :haha: |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Who cares if Iraqis can vote if it cost hundreds of thousands dead and millions of refugees? To hell with democracy if that's what it costs. Especially forced democracy. |
that has always been a cost of acquiring such rights. if humans weren't willing to sacrifice their own lives for something greater then most of the world would still be rule by kings or dictators. surely, most people would agree that the alternative (a very small percentage of the population being killed) is much better.
Kings and dictators look out for number one, and a life in poverty or servitude under those rulers isn't necessarily better than death. I would even be willing to say that if many people didn't sacrifice their lives in the wars and struggles during the 1800-1900s so the western world was substantially democractic, then our world would be significantly different (technologically, medically, etc...). Being democractic allowed capitalism to flourish, which resulted in vast technological advances. Without this political change, I suspect that a much larger percentage of the world's population would be living in poverty, and human health would be in far worse shape than it is today.
it's easy for someone in our position to say life is better than death, but that's because we don't live in despair. You always justify muslim terrorists for this same reason, but erradicating dictatorships is also a method of attacking poverty. I'm not saying we should have fought in iraq (because i was absolutely against the war), but look at the bigger picture. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS
Besides. Explain to me how you compare those numbers of deaths to voting? Try taking a look at the real problem. Saddam Hussein and what he has done. I gotta hear you make an excuse for this guy. :haha: |
Oh it'll be the same ole excuse they always use, 'Iraq was fine when he was in power...now more f*cked than before...' |
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