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presets don't cut it, time to programme, help! (pg. 3)
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| Beatflux |
| Sometimes I just like a plain old sine. |
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| Low Profile |
Been doing electronic music for 7 or so years now. Took me all that time to learn how to program any sound I could imagine. I also started doing house music rather than trance about 18 months ago. that really opened up my horizons as trance has a really limited set of sounds, but house producers haven't been so shy to try new things.
Also, don't think effects aren't part of the synthesis process, proper use of effects and equalization is a huge part of creating a good sound. don't let people lie to you that you're just covering up bad synthesis with effects, that's in' bullcrap. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Indeed they can. It just doesn't make them instruments (otherwise you wouldn't really need the "virtual" prefix!). |
You're borrowing from semantics to reinforce your argument, hence your argument is not real. It is a "virtual" argument, in that it has a concept but the concept can only be recognized as valid if one super-imposes an artificially pedantic meaning for the term, "virtual".
Being that the word, virtual, has been applied to numerous applications that exist, predominantly, in the form of digital storage and computation, such as virtual reality, virtual patients, and virtual tourism, the concept of a virtual instrument is transcendent beyond the scope, to varying degrees, of those other applications in that the effects of the virtual instrument may be immediately realized and made to manifest in the physical realm.
In essence, many physical synthesizers, such as the Roland V-Synth, makes use of "virtual" components within the synthesis engine. The word, synthesizer, is a derivative of the word synthesized which implies that such a mechanism is "artificial". Now, consider the phrase, Artificial Intelligence.
Does Artificial Intelligence really exist? Sure, neural networks have been and are being built which contain certain algorithms that allow for limited albeit powerful reasoning to take place. But, were I to apply the same conservative pedantry you've adopted for the term, virtual to artificial I would be able to make a very fallacious argument that because artificial intelligence was artificial, it does not exist/is not more capable for certain applications, than actual intelligence. |
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| Sonic_c |
| Eddiezilker that was a killer post man your smart! |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sonic_c
Eddiezilker that was a killer post man your smart! |
No kidding. He must be a philosophy student at CMU.
BTW Eddie, I see you're a P5 user. That's a pretty rare sight around here. I'm primarily a Sonar user, but I've been using P5 for years, mostly for scratch tracks. Great app, too bad Cakewalk won't decide what to do with it. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sonic_c
Eddiezilker that was a killer post man your smart! |
Thank you. My teen-aged boys hate me. ;) |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
No kidding. He must be a philosophy student at CMU.
BTW Eddie, I see you're a P5 user. That's a pretty rare sight around here. I'm primarily a Sonar user, but I've been using P5 for years, mostly for scratch tracks. Great app, too bad Cakewalk won't decide what to do with it. |
No KIDDING!!
It's so versatile but they're just ignoring it, and leaving it somewhat underdeveloped. I think, if they wanted to, they could compete with Live. I'm kind of hoping that Cakewalk has a skunkworks project devoted to just that prospect, to be honest.
I'm definitely going for Sonar, too, but will probably always have a place for P5 in my studio. |
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| JmanNZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Low Profile
Been doing electronic music for 7 or so years now. Took me all that time to learn how to program any sound I could imagine. I also started doing house music rather than trance about 18 months ago. that really opened up my horizons as trance has a really limited set of sounds, but house producers haven't been so shy to try new things. |
7 years huh? And I bet you spend more time on it that I do (work commitments suck). Oh well, at least I know.
What you said about trance is very true, there is a very specific criteria for sounds that can be used in trance, where as other genres (and I go to break beat for a change) have a lot more flexibility.
I think that although trance has limited sounds, the genre also carries some of the most unique and inspiring sounds I have ever heard. I have a true appreciation for some of the sounds and the designers who make them (Ronski, Koglin, Stoneface and terminal...)
The hands on approach has been well advocated, seems logical, think I'll invest in a controller and work with that.
Cheers all! |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
You're borrowing from semantics to reinforce your argument, hence your argument is not real. |
I think I smell relativism here.
All human communication is based on definitions and semantics. Without those, we would never be able to reach any consensus or even have meaningful conversation.
The term instrument very strongly implies a mechanical device. If you are using a MIDI keyboard to play notes through a VSTi, it makes a lot more sense to say that the keyboard is your instrument - not the VSTi.
You are implying that an instrument ought to be defined based on the sound it makes, but in reality, instruments are more readily associated with the mechanical action required to play one. A drum is an instrument. An electric piano is considered an instrument, because of the keyboard, not because of the synthesizer it uses. An electric guitar is considered an instrument, even when it's not hooked up to an amp and isn't really making any sound. A voice is typically not considered an instrument, even though it's far more versatile sound-wise than most instruments are.
"Virtual instruments" have no tangible mechanism of action; they are just algorithms, code. It's pushing it to claim that a turntable is an instrument, even for true turntablists; I seriously doubt you'll get much support for the notion that z3ta+ is an instrument by any accepted standard. |
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| palm |
| What does VST mean anyway? Virtual SynTh ?? |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
What does VST mean anyway? Virtual SynTh ?? |
Virtual Studio Technology |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I think I smell relativism here.
All human communication is based on definitions and semantics. Without those, we would never be able to reach any consensus or even have meaningful conversation.
The term instrument very strongly implies a mechanical device. If you are using a MIDI keyboard to play notes through a VSTi, it makes a lot more sense to say that the keyboard is your instrument - not the VSTi.
You are implying that an instrument ought to be defined based on the sound it makes, but in reality, instruments are more readily associated with the mechanical action required to play one. A drum is an instrument. An electric piano is considered an instrument, because of the keyboard, not because of the synthesizer it uses. An electric guitar is considered an instrument, even when it's not hooked up to an amp and isn't really making any sound. A voice is typically not considered an instrument, even though it's far more versatile sound-wise than most instruments are.
"Virtual instruments" have no tangible mechanism of action; they are just algorithms, code. It's pushing it to claim that a turntable is an instrument, even for true turntablists; I seriously doubt you'll get much support for the notion that z3ta+ is an instrument by any accepted standard. |
A stick is an instrument, its not a mechanical device.
Instruments come in 2 catagories, those that produce sound waves via strings, wind, interception. And those that use electricity as their primary sound producer [electrcitiy, magnatism, what ever].
An electric guitar uses strings to produce the sound wave, the sound is produce when the string is plucked, NOT when it passes through the AMP, the amp only amplifies this sound. So an electric guitar is in the first catagory of instruments. [also an electric guitar doesn't require an amp to make sound]
A virus/303 uses magnatism [speakers] to produce the sound, that is the first level a sound is produce, in the end result. Software synths work in the same way, however. Softsynths do not manipulate electricity, or magnets. Thus the distinction in their sound. But both still only produce sound at the speaker level.
Why did i say all this? |
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