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Whats bugging me: Gear heads with crappy monitors. (pg. 4)
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| RichieV |
I find great monitors and a ty room slight more ironic and retarded than great synths and bad monitors.
ok monitors and a good room will almost always yield better results than good monitors in a room with poor acoustics. |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
ok monitors and a good room will almost always yield better results than good monitors in a room with poor acoustics. |
Meh, I just don't agree with that. At least, not for me. I think this is really dependent on the individual.
My brain tends to try to compensate for monitors and environment... for me it's about what I'm used to, not what's best.
I don't know how well I'd do in a near-perfect environment, to be honest. Would my quality improve? Or would I struggle because EVERYTHING sounds good (or bad...) Hard to say. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
Meh, I just don't agree with that. At least, not for me. I think this is really dependent on the individual.
My brain tends to try to compensate for monitors and environment... for me it's about what I'm used to, not what's best.
I don't know how well I'd do in a near-perfect environment, to be honest. Would my quality improve? Or would I struggle because EVERYTHING sounds good (or bad...) Hard to say. |
I agree somewhat
how does your brain account for phase cancellation ? How do you properly pan things when reflections will impact your decision. I guess i really depends on your use and the accuracy you need. I suppose if you are really close to your monitors and you are monitoring really loud, these intricacies won't be so prounanced but the excessive monitoring level itself will cause other problems.
I totally agree with you that what matters most is what you are used to. My coments were more based on the fact that people place such importance on monitors while ignoring the room which has such a profound impact. |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
I totally agree with you that what matters most is what you are used to. My coments were more based on the fact that people place such importance on monitors while ignoring the room which has such a profound impact. |
I hear ya there. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
I agree somewhat
how does your brain account for phase cancellation ? How do you properly pan things when reflections will impact your decision. I guess i really depends on your use and the accuracy you need. I suppose if you are really close to your monitors and you are monitoring really loud, these intricacies won't be so prounanced but the excessive monitoring level itself will cause other problems.
I totally agree with you that what matters most is what you are used to. My coments were more based on the fact that people place such importance on monitors while ignoring the room which has such a profound impact. |
It's all personal preference but the brain has an incredible way of adjusting to environments - just think about all the background noise we're able to filter out without even realising. Go in to an anacohic chamber and you know what I mean.
You're going to have a tough time getting your brain to make crap monitors sound "better", so I'd prefer to have better monitors and let my brain help with the room.
This is all up to a point because if the room is just plain terrible no monitors will be able to help.
Lastly, it's way easier to upgrade your monitors than it is to change some rooms - yes, you can do very simple, small things to vastly improve the acoustics in a room but there isn't that much you can do if it's the wrong size etc. |
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| Magnus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
If u know your monitors really well it doesnt matter.
I have crappy monitors myself (Alesis M1 MkII)
But my mixes always translates nicely on all the sound systems i have tested them on, as long as they sound good in the monitors. |
Completely agree here. Sean Tyas uses a pair of Behringer Truths and has done quite well with them. Its all about knowing your speakers. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
It's all personal preference but the brain has an incredible way of adjusting to environments - just think about all the background noise we're able to filter out without even realising. Go in to an anacohic chamber and you know what I mean.
You're going to have a tough time getting your brain to make crap monitors sound "better", so I'd prefer to have better monitors and let my brain help with the room.
This is all up to a point because if the room is just plain terrible no monitors will be able to help.
Lastly, it's way easier to upgrade your monitors than it is to change some rooms - yes, you can do very simple, small things to vastly improve the acoustics in a room but there isn't that much you can do if it's the wrong size etc. |
the point i wanted to stress is that room plays an important role and you can get much more out of low end speakers if your room is treated. Which is why i pointed out the irony of people with "expensive" speakers but really aren't using them to their potential because of the room. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnus
Completely agree here. Sean Tyas uses a pair of Behringer Truths and has done quite well with them. Its all about knowing your speakers. |
True (even though I don't like his tracks) but I have to say that truths (unlike my opposite opinion for nearly all other Behringer gear) are great monitors and it's difficult for me to contemplate spending $1000 on monitors when they are that good for around $300.
Does anyone know: A year ago or so, Behringer changed the truths 2031a's to have a different facia (grey or black - can't remember which) - some have said that they sound different while others said there is no difference - anyone have an opinion? |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnus
Completely agree here. Sean Tyas uses a pair of Behringer Truths and has done quite well with them. Its all about knowing your speakers. |
Even with ty acoustics you can still make great mixes.
I have one of my monitors in a corner, causing it to have a lot more bass than the other. But it doesnt bother me cause i find that extra bass to sound great, and im used to it. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Even with ty acoustics you can still make great mixes.
I have one of my monitors in a corner, causing it to have a lot more bass than the other. But it doesnt bother me cause i find that extra bass to sound great, and im used to it. |
I checked out your music. Back Crystal was my favorite song btw. Nice Work.
I thought your mixes were good but i wouldn't say great.Of course this might be due to experience and not necessarily a monitoring issue. Again my statement had nothing to do with whether it was possible to mix, it was a cost/benifit analysis concerning room treatment vs monitors. You buy monitors for accuracy but it is much harder to be accurate when your room is introducing all sorts of artifacts. My point was that spending 5000$ on monitors is stupid when you could get just as accurate monitoring for 2000$ including monitors and treatment. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
I checked out your music. Back Crystal was my favorite song btw. Nice Work.
I thought your mixes were good but i wouldn't say great.Of course this might be due to experience and not necessarily a monitoring issue. Again my statement had nothing to do with whether it was possible to mix, it was a cost/benifit analysis concerning room treatment vs monitors. You buy monitors for accuracy but it is much harder to be accurate when your room is introducing all sorts of artifacts. My point was that spending 5000$ on monitors is stupid when you could get just as accurate monitoring for 2000$ including monitors and treatment. |
That's a slightly different argument, which has been done to death on here. There is a point of diminishing returns with anything you buy, especially monitors, not to mention economies of scale. Mackie HR 824's are $1000 per pair and Focal twins are $3000 per pair. Yes the focals are better monitors but frankly if you can't do a good mix on mackies the Focals are not going to change that one bit. Are they $2000 better? That can only be answered by your ability to utilize that difference in quality.
However these things have a tipping point at dofferent price brackets.
For instance, I can't really understand anyone that spends $500 - $800 on monitors when you can pick up Truths for $300 which sound better than most in that bracket. Howver when you go to the $1000 mark you can get monitors that do definitely warrant the extra cash (824, 8030 etc.) But again, the moment you above that you're paying a lot more for very tiny increases in performance that just aren't worth it until you get in to the focal range. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
I checked out your music. Back Crystal was my favorite song btw. Nice Work.
I thought your mixes were good but i wouldn't say great.Of course this might be due to experience and not necessarily a monitoring issue. Again my statement had nothing to do with whether it was possible to mix, it was a cost/benifit analysis concerning room treatment vs monitors. You buy monitors for accuracy but it is much harder to be accurate when your room is introducing all sorts of artifacts. My point was that spending 5000$ on monitors is stupid when you could get just as accurate monitoring for 2000$ including monitors and treatment. |
Thanks for the compliment! yeah my mixes arent great.. but thats just me and my ears not making em good enough. ;)
Yeah i get your point absolutely.
And its always adviced to have several listening stations like mp3 player or hifi system or whatever, you can double check your mixes on. |
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