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SRC Comparions(i.e. Ableton Sucks)
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| Beatflux |
I didn't see this posted here, so here it is:
SCR Comparisons
Some of the DAWs included are:
Logic 8(Leopard, and Tiger)
Ableton 7(Hi-Quality on/off)
Cubase 4
Fruity Loops 7,8
Those are just a handful from the list, but they seem to be the most relevant ones.
Click on "help" on the lower left to explain the process and results. |
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| kitphillips |
:haha: Well, from what I'm looking at, it proves what's already been said. There are differences between different DAWs, but they are below the threshold where they can be considered significant.
If you had a look at the actual scales instead of just examining the pretty shapes, you would realise that all the differences are sub 60 dBfs, and mostly sub 100 Dbfs. I don't know how these people think they're measuring this data, but its below the threshold of most instruments to detect, and certainly below the threshold of human hearing, even if it weren't obscured by dithering and noise floors on the analogue end.
Further, all the differences are well past 20,000 hertz and normal human hearing doesn't extend this far, even if the post processing done by MP3 codecs and mastering wasn't taken into account.
That said, from now on I'm going to throw a low pass filter at 20 khz just in case.
Incidentally, if this was all true, then it would indicate that logic under Tiger produces masses of quantisation noise and very poor quality (MUCH worse than ableton) while logic under leopard produces almost perfect quality. Check the sweep tests for both... You'll also note that the aliasing which is being reflected back into the audiable domain in ableton 7 (high quality mode) is sub 130 DECIBELS! Thats practically nothing:eyespop: |
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| flutlicht junky |
Kowalski! Analysis? I find it pretty and somewhat hypnotic.
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| 9Vibes |
| Erm call me a idiot or whatever but what is this? |
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| nicknack |
thats sample rate conversion, which has nothing to do with the actual mix summing of ableton.
If you read abletons manual, for best audio results they even recommend to export the file at a higher rate then you require and use a third party, dedicated sample rate conversion tool, just make sure your settings match what your exporting to otherwise you will be using the built in ableton converters without knowing
Logics is awesome as it uses the appleAU converters, but izotope still wins
this is what i do, i export at 48/24 bit and use izotopes converters, problem solved |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by 9Vibes
Erm call me a idiot |
You are AN idiot. |
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| kitphillips |
It seems when you have a look at the actual results that ableton is using a completely different algorithm to everyone else... The impulse response is way ahead of everyone elses, but there is a bit more aliasing and the other results are a completely different for some of the other phase stuff as well. Which is interesting and may go someway to explaining the "ableton sound"...
I think I actually got it wrong in my first post, Ableton has far less quantisation noise than most other SRCs but has more aliasing than logic (althout still down around -90 dBfs I think) |
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| Acton |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
There are differences between different DAWs, but they are below the threshold where they can be considered significant.
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+1
Just been having a scan through, it would be interesting to find out the root causes of some of the differences. |
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| aquila2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
You are AN idiot. |
lol touche! |
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