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Effectiveness of Ableton delay adjustment
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| Stephen Wiley |
| So I'm running at 128 samples because I want low latency because I'm told that is good, but if there is a delay adjustment that basically corrects it, what are the drawbacks for setting my samples super high and just adding more delay? |
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| ponsshin |
This could affect jitter in a bad way maybe. Jitter is the time variation of a periodic event. Let's say you're playing the same 1/8th note consistently. If you have bad jitter then even if you play exact 1/8th notes they'll still be delayed because your settings do not allow the data to be processed in a timely manner.
edit: and if you're performing live adding negative delay is a bad thing because 1) negative delay takes time to process and 2)negative delay is physically impossible to realize in a live performance!!!! |
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| Subtle |
128 samples huh ?
I record midi, audio and everything with 1024 samples. :o
Edit: But then again... i got the most awesome delay compensation in Cubase.
I tried recording in Ableton and it was all out of sync :p |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by ponsshin
This could affect jitter in a bad way maybe. Jitter is the time variation of a periodic event. Let's say you're playing the same 1/8th note consistently. If you have bad jitter then even if you play exact 1/8th notes they'll still be delayed because your settings do not allow the data to be processed in a timely manner.
edit: and if you're performing live adding negative delay is a bad thing because 1) negative delay takes time to process and 2)negative delay is physically impossible to realize in a live performance!!!! |
I'm not 100% sure your ideas are wrong, but I've never seen them expressed so wierdly:wtf:
Stephen, you might want to raise your latency to 526 or whatever, since lower latency leads to more strain on processor, disk and memory, which might lead to dropouts. If thats not happening then don't worry.
The only issue with more latency, is that you start to hear a delay between when you hit your piano key and when the VST starts to make a sound. |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by ponsshin
This could affect jitter in a bad way maybe. Jitter is the time variation of a periodic event. Let's say you're playing the same 1/8th note consistently. If you have bad jitter then even if you play exact 1/8th notes they'll still be delayed because your settings do not allow the data to be processed in a timely manner.
edit: and if you're performing live adding negative delay is a bad thing because 1) negative delay takes time to process and 2)negative delay is physically impossible to realize in a live performance!!!! |
What you're describing is not jitter, that's just latency. Even though your description of jitter in the first paragraph is correct, you're using it in the wrong context. You're basically saying latency is jitter while it is not. |
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| Stephen Wiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I'm not 100% sure your ideas are wrong, but I've never seen them expressed so wierdly:wtf:
Stephen, you might want to raise your latency to 526 or whatever, since lower latency leads to more strain on processor, disk and memory, which might lead to dropouts. If thats not happening then don't worry.
The only issue with more latency, is that you start to hear a delay between when you hit your piano key and when the VST starts to make a sound. |
I see. Well I never record anything live (yet)...I always experiment with my keyboard, find out what I want to do, but I go back and manually (with my mouse) enter and edit all MIDI notes. I might in the future do some digital live recordings, but for now, does latency even mean anything if I'm physically putting the notes in the sequencer with my mouse and not relying on recording of any kind? |
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| ponsshin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
I see. Well I never record anything live (yet)...I always experiment with my keyboard, find out what I want to do, but I go back and manually (with my mouse) enter and edit all MIDI notes. I might in the future do some digital live recordings, but for now, does latency even mean anything if I'm physically putting the notes in the sequencer with my mouse and not relying on recording of any kind? |
No it doesn't matter at all but later on, you will find out that using a keyboard is better on all points and that you will create the best melodies when recording on-the-fly.
That's why I think it's important to have not too much latency. You should experiment with the different levels of samples too see at what limit your system suffers. Don't b afraid to go high up and this is a process that takes some time but you only have to do it once so do it.
edit: if you're using ASIO on a pc, you'll have to quit and restart everytime you change the samples value but if you're using wave you can use the test tone (very useful). |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
128 samples huh ?
I record midi, audio and everything with 1024 samples. :o
Edit: But then again... i got the most awesome delay compensation in Cubase.
I tried recording in Ableton and it was all out of sync :p |
same.. 1024.. dont use external instruments and use direct monitoring.. have no latency on my hardware synths. |
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