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| Alex |
Most religious people? Do you have any proof of this?
There is a world outside of the evangelical United States. The religious you're thinking of are about 80 million people in the USA. |
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| DJ Damerchi |
I cant stand these pricks that use "theory not fact!" as an arguement. if i had a godamn nickel...do they even know some of the phenomena that consitute as theory?
anyways, this is definately a stepback, but its the homeschooled kids i worry about most. I came across a survey which i cant locate that said 75 percent of homeschooled kids in the US were from the bible belt region and evangelical. How on earth will you ever be able to influence their world view when barriers are erected everytime anything darwinian related is mentioned?
the last sentence in that article made me puke a little in my mouth.
have you guys heard this argument-"why can we see light from galaxies hundreds of millions of light years away if the earth is 6 000 years old?"
"God can do anything. he can tamper and create this illusion to test our faith."
faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
atleast Hovinds in jail |
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| Alex |
The truth is Evangelicals actually have huge drop off numbers.
They convert millions but lose millions a week later, simply because their views are so outlandish and in many regards stupid. There is no way an atheist can talk to an Evangelical about anything, for the most part they will not listen and simply call you a heathen.
I've been called a heathen many many times by Evangelicals, Baptists and Pentecostals, but at the very least they gave me the time of day. An atheist/agnostic wouldn't stand much chance talking to these types of people because they believe in only ONE thing as truth and that's The Bible.
For the most part if you were able to show them right in front of their eyes that something in the Bible is without a doubt a mistake, they will cease being Christian immediately because that's how much importance they put on Biblical literalism. |
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| Capitalizt |
| You can try and distinguish yourself from them if you want alex, but the fact is you share their beliefs on the major myths of the bible..the stories about Jesus that completely defy logic and the laws of physics. If you are religious at all, you can't be that much of a heathen. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
I just wanted to point out that people shouldn't just accept evolution based on the fact they hate religion. Especially when the vast majority of people understand neither. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Most religious people? Do you have any proof of this? |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
The truth is Evangelicals actually have huge drop off numbers.
They convert millions but lose millions a week later, simply because their views are so outlandish and in many regards stupid. There is no way an atheist can talk to an Evangelical about anything, for the most part they will not listen and simply call you a heathen.
I've been called a heathen many many times by Evangelicals, Baptists and Pentecostals, but at the very least they gave me the time of day. An atheist/agnostic wouldn't stand much chance talking to these types of people because they believe in only ONE thing as truth and that's The Bible.
For the most part if you were able to show them right in front of their eyes that something in the Bible is without a doubt a mistake, they will cease being Christian immediately because that's how much importance they put on Biblical literalism. |
Anyone know what kind of hit the evangelical community took when they found out one of their front men was a meth-smoking pole smoker? I remember seeing Jesus Camp when he was still a leader of the church. Scary stuff :nervous: |
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| Omega_M |
| Is anyone planning to take them to Court on this issue ? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
You can try and distinguish yourself from them if you want alex, but the fact is you share their beliefs on the major myths of the bible..the stories about Jesus that completely defy logic and the laws of physics. |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
You can try and distinguish yourself from them if you want alex, but the fact is you share their beliefs on the major myths of the bible..the stories about Jesus that completely defy logic and the laws of physics. If you are religious at all, you can't be that much of a heathen. |
Logic? What's that? Can you prove to me that logic exists please?
Just because you repeat how the bible is myth over and over doesn't make it more of a compelling argument. Time and time again you offer zero reasoning, arguments, or anything to back up your nonsensical discarding of religion and Christianity in particular.
Oh wait, was it you that read one Richard Dawkins book and now bases his entire view of religion on it? Oh bravo :stongue:
You're a joke. |
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| Capitalizt |
I know you love Dawkins so I'll use a quote from his book to demonstrate the ridiculous beliefs held by those who want "alternative" theories taught alongside evolution.
| quote: | "The findings of anthropologists seem weird to us only because they are unfamiliar. All religious beliefs seem weird to those not brought up in them. Boyer did research on the Fang people of Cameroon, who believe...
...that witches have an extra animal-like organ that flies away at night and ruins other people's crops or poisons their blood. It is also said that these witches sometimes assemble for huge banquets, where they devour their victims and plan future attacks. Many will tell you that a friend of a friend actually saw witches flying over the village at night, sitting on a banana leaf and throwing magical darts at various unsuspecting victims.
Boyer continues with a personal anecdote:
I was mentioning these and other exotica over dinner in a Cambridge college when one of our guests, a prominent Cambridge theologian, turned to me and said: 'That is what makes anthropology so fascinating and so difficult too. You have to explain how people can believe such nonsense.' Which left me dumbfounded. The conversation had moved on before I could find a pertinent response."
Assuming that the Cambridge theologian was a mainstream Christian, he probably believed some combination of the following:
- In the time of the ancestors, a man was born to a virgin mother with no biological father being involved.
- The same fatherless man called out to a friend called Lazarus, who had been dead long enough to stink, and Lazarus promptly came back to life.
- The fatherless man himself came alive after being dead and buried three days.
- Forty days later, the fatherless man went up to the top of a hill and then disappeared bodily into the sky.
- If you murmur thoughts privately in your head, the fatherless man, and his 'father' (who is also himself) will hear your thoughts and may act upon them. He is simultaneously able to hear the thoughts of everybody else in the world.
- If you do something bad, or something good, the same fatherless man sees all, even if nobody else does. You may be rewarded or punished
accordingly, including after your death.
- The fatherless man's virgin mother never died but 'ascended' bodily into heaven.
- Bread and wine, if blessed by a priest (who must have testicles),
'become' the body and blood of the fatherless man.
What would an objective anthropologist, coming fresh to this set of beliefs while on fieldwork in Cambridge, make of them? |
These are MAINSTREAM Christian beliefs..beliefs that the religion is based on, and all of them defy the physical laws of our universe.
Most Christians believe Jesus was the son of God (and that he also was God):conf: They believe in the miracle (fatherless) birth, that Jesus performed miracles such as creating food from thin air and bringing the dead back to life. They believe he was killed and came back to life himself, and that God can hear the thoughts of all believers and that he answers prayers by intervening in the physical world on their behalf, etc. My "logic" is based on the observable behavior of the universe and that these things simply don't happen. When religious wackos try to pretend these myths (yes, they are myths..read the definition ) have ANY place alongside evolution in the classroom, they deserve to be called out on it and the insanity of their beliefs deserves to be questioned. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
When religious wackos try to pretend these myths |
Ah, now we have it. Anybody who believes in the divinity of Jesus is a "religious wacko". Good work.
What whoever it was that you chose to quote seems to forget - the cornerstone of Christianity I might add - was that your "fatherless man" was no mere man at all.
Atheists appear increasingly dumb when they conflate radical literalism with contemporary forms of Christian theology.
ffs, you believe in the "myth" that the gold standard is panacea for man's problems - that, like Christianity, is based on zero empirical evidence and goes against the "Cambridge" standard you've thrown forth. |
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| Alex |
| I'm not even going to bother, I have never been confronted with such a stupid atheist. |
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