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Sub Bass : Let's Clear It Up
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| henryv |
What are some techniques used in sub basses. im trying to get to the bottom of it.
What i usually do is find a sub base on a preset on the VST that im working on. EW the sub bass for to an extra punch then add WAVE's Amp Stero.
music genre: uplifting trance
am i missing something else?
Some tips to help each other out would be helpful. |
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| Raphie |
| low cut / high cut add a bit of harmonics or distortion to get punch and drive, sidechain to let the kick through calculate your ms/bpm for release |
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| Theran |
| You can easily create a subbass by taking a simple sine waveform and play it at a lower octave. Cut all the high and there you have your sub, you can add a pulse or square wave to add some harmonics. It's really not that much work! |
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| david.michael |
| It's just a sine wave, man. |
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| Agenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theran
You can easily create a subbass by taking a simple sine waveform and play it at a lower octave. Cut all the high and there you have your sub, you can add a pulse or square wave to add some harmonics. It's really not that much work! |
Thanks for the info. Would I need to take some off the low end as well. Say 30-40 hz?
Take a look at this pic. Which is the best way to roll off. Top or bottom pic? Thanks.
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| Theran |
| I'd say the top one, and maybe cut off a little more that that. You can cut off the low end (max 30-40Hz), it will give a cleaner sub. Don't take out to much though! |
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| ClearWater |
| one should still shelve off below 40 or 20 hz tho yes? Also, I find as soon as my subbass is even the least bit audible my ears start hurting... so mine is usually rather silent and about -18db relative to all else |
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| Theran |
| quote: | Originally posted by ClearWater
one should still shelve off below 40 or 20 hz tho yes? Also, I find as soon as my subbass is even the least bit audible my ears start hurting... so mine is usually rather silent and about -18db relative to all else |
Most clubsystems won't go below 50Hz, so between 20 or 40Hz is good. To get your subbass audible, you could add a saw or pulse (as I said above ;)), to add some extra harmonics and make it a bit more audible. |
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| Agenz |
| cheers for the reply ;) |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theran
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Hey mate.
I've never thought to hi-cut my sub-bass (not sure why!), but I guess whenever one can free up parts of the sound spectrum without losing sound quality one should do so. At what frequency do you typically cut your sub-bass? Are we talking everything above 300hz? Lower? Higher? Etc.
Also, re: adding a pulse/saw/square wave to bring out some harmonics, do you usually keep the volumes of the two waves (i.e., the sine + the pulse/saw/square) about the same, or do you favour the sine over the harmonic-adding wave? |
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| 9Vibes |
Take a sine wave , (or try a sawtooth or combine both together)
play it at a low octave , LP filter with a very low cutoff frequency , EQ , and there you have it.
For uplifting trance , most sub bass are pretty simple. Try BooBass.(Its for FL only thou) |
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| Theran |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nick Cenik
Hey mate.
I've never thought to hi-cut my sub-bass (not sure why!), but I guess whenever one can free up parts of the sound spectrum without losing sound quality one should do so. At what frequency do you typically cut your sub-bass? Are we talking everything above 300hz? Lower? Higher? Etc.
Also, re: adding a pulse/saw/square wave to bring out some harmonics, do you usually keep the volumes of the two waves (i.e., the sine + the pulse/saw/square) about the same, or do you favour the sine over the harmonic-adding wave? |
Higher frequencies on the subbass are useless, so you can cut them. Where you cut them depends on where you want your bass to be, I usually have it very low, so I cut from 120 - 150Hz down (sometimes even lower).
If I'm adding another waveform, I keep the level of the sinewave highest, afterall, it's the sine that produces the subbass, the other waveform is just extra. You have to find a nice balance between the both of them. |
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