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Sidechaining in ANY version of Cubase with ANY compressor (tutorial) (pg. 2)
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| thecYrus |
quadro bus and "the glue" compressor for me.
though i'm waiting for someone to do me VST2 to VST3 bridge plugin with sidechain support. |
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| Raphie |
sidechaining doesn't have much to do with quality, but everything with timing abd dynamics.
The SX3 method is for people who don't want to purchase 4 or 5 (for whatever (less)appearent reason.
Cubase 4/5 plugins provide great sidechain potential, if you know how to use them.
Also when you've got TC Electronics Powercore V3 software, you can sidechain all Powercore plugins via the sidechainer.
When you've got Duende, you sidechain the SSL channelstrip
for anything else you can use sidekick.
A software compressor is nothing else than an algorithm for dynamics and colouring.depending on the endorsement it might say to emulate certain outboard classics, but it's still maths providing emulations. it's not something analoque or rocket science..... |
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| Ry Thomas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
you make things overly complicated :whip:
on track one you have A
on track 2 you have B
you want B to make space for A
that space has 4 dimensions:
- lowering volume
- time it takes to lower volume (attack)
- time to hold down volume (release)
- time it takes to release (knee)
you can either draw this yourself or have it triggered by a plug.
There is no "audiophile" side in Sidechaining, so it doesn't make any difference HOW you do it, as long as you have control over these 4 parameters..... |
If it is not acting on the kick you are playing it may sound odd/out of sync. I much prefer compression |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
A software compressor is nothing else than an algorithm for dynamics and colouring.depending on the endorsement it might say to emulate certain outboard classics, but it's still maths providing emulations. it's not something analoque or rocket science..... |
Plenty of companies still manage to screw it up. Try sidechaining a pure sine wave through something crappy like Twisted Lemon or db Audioware. You should then hear all the digital artifacts I'm talking about.
More high quality compressors like Beatpuncher and probably a few others are great and don't have much (if any) digital artifacts. But this is a method for using ANY compressor the user wants ... even if it doesn't "support" sidechaining.
My other big gripe with using everything else on the market is that it's all very buggy. I haven't been able to find a single "compressor" that doesn't require re-configuration at start up or, in the case of Beatpuncher, would completely crap out. |
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| Raphie |
True, hence it's better to embed it ASAP so it's secured and consistent during the mixing process
And a lot of "artifacts" are actually intended emulation of vintage outboard. (i.e. the clipping of the VU, the darkening/distortion of sound) also note that the biggest pitfall of all all VST compressor plugins is that they go ape on high ratio's and extreme thresholds. (i.e. 6/1 on -20db.) for some reason there still not able to emulate that properly.
In C4 and up, the best way to sidechain is using the "vintage compressor" which as VST3 can accept any triggersource AND keeps its settings. Sidekick is good for those sidechained strings and pads. you know the cheap overdone effect often heard on a lot "me too" tracks.
Bass sidechaining should be subtle in order to maintain drive an pressure. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
Automating the compressor with MIDI rather than sidechaning? That sounds really dumb and inaccurate. |
I'm trying to visualize how that would actually be done, and what advantage it would have over simply automating the volume. What parameters of the compressor would you tie to the MIDI note or CC - threshold? Ratio? Doesn't really make much sense...
The point of side-chained compression and really any compression is that it's transparent and you don't have to think about it. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
Automating the compressor with MIDI rather than sidechaning? That sounds really dumb and inaccurate.
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Open a blank channel, put a midi half note on each kick. The midi notes act as a controller for the compressor on/off. Set a envelope. Side Chain Complete. Don't know an easier way to do it. Adjust settings to fit the song.
Or you can do volume automation, but it won't be perfect if you do it manually. |
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| RichieV |
i don't think cronodir is wrong in any regard.
it all depends on intention
using a midi trigger or automation is sometimes the best solution. It really just depends on the reason you are using sidechain compression. |
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| alanzo |
| *bump* ... I'm using this method on my new track. It works great! Can I get a posting on the master list, diginut? kthxbai |
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| Subtle |
| I tried doing this, but did not quite work out.. the compressor settings, and Trigger 1 and 2 i did not quite understand. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
I tried doing this, but did not quite work out.. the compressor settings, and Trigger 1 and 2 i did not quite understand. |
Try taking a look at the included cubase project |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
Try taking a look at the included cubase project |
Yep I got it, worked. Okey when you use the compressor, you need to use 2 compressors and provide identical settings on both.. what is your trick there ? maybe channel linking would work ? Or do you just tune in one of the compressors and just copy the setting over to the other ? |
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