what's the rationale? some moral reason against altering the mind? anyone know the general reasoning?
pmoisse
Because they're fun? The people can't be seen to be having too much fun...
Q5echo
ever seen personally what meth or heroin can do to an otherwise beautiful, intelligent and promising human being? a bunch of that .
i'll fight to the death before i see that crap legalized.
EDIT> i'm all for dramatic de-criminalization of ganja though
Halcyon+On+On
Why is anything illegal, for that matter? What is the nature of 'crime'?
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Q5echo
ever seen personally what meth or heroin can do to an otherwise beautiful, intelligent and promising human being? a bunch of that .
i'll fight to the death before i see that crap legalized.
I completely agree here. There are some substances that justify their draconian penalties. But does substance possession/abuse truly deserve how it is handled by government?
I think drug addicts are sick, and need help - and are only a danger to themselves (though of course addiction truly affects everybody). Prison-time is not only utterly undeserving, but I don't think it does anybody any good whatsoever. I have yet to see a single rationalization otherwise.
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EDIT> i'm all for dramatic de-criminalization of ganja though
Pot has been persecuted in the US for decades now. I think that once it gains legal acceptance, some reparations are in order here.
Q5echo
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Why is anything illegal, for that matter?
...because youre stupid, no offense. i'm stupid, your best friend is stupid, the guy next door is stupid...we're all stupid. you put us all together we become exponentially stupid. therefore, laws.
Q5echo
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I think that once it gains legal acceptance, some reparations are in order here.
i'll take an oz. of Red Diesel
Halcyon+On+On
Though I totally agree with you, drugs are interesting because they have the ability to tranquilize people, in a sense.
Laws do exist to keep people in line in order to thwart violence in most forms, and it is that very dynamic which seems under attack by the advent of mass-produced substances. Man, as an animal, is pushy, belligerent and domineering, especially when empowered by his or her society - just as you said, stupid. But drugs can circumvent this; they can make a strong man weak and a weak man weaker - they make people both care and socialize less and less. In this sense, it seems to me that laws prohibiting said substances are not the same as any other law we create...
Perhaps it was certain substances that caused violence and desperation and our worst monkey nightmares to come alive in the first place though - likely the shortage of which that caused panic. And everything else is merely taboo by association.
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Q5echo
i'll take an oz. of Red Diesel
Is that strain even around anymore? :wtf:
Q5echo
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Is that strain even around anymore? :wtf:
had some about this time last year at least thats what he called it. tasty stuff. then he started growing Master Kush. great too if you don't mind doing much for 4 hrs at a time. smoked that for 6 months (because it was free) and now i'm taking it easy. i toked once since February.
i feel much sharper now but man did i make my brain smooth like Dave Chapelle's botox-ed balls
Halcyon+On+On
Free Master Kush for 6 months?
I want Government friends, too!
pmoisse
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I completely agree here. There are some substances that justify their draconian penalties. But does substance possession/abuse truly deserve how it is handled by government?
I think drug addicts are sick, and need help - and are only a danger to themselves (though of course addiction truly affects everybody). Prison-time is not only utterly undeserving, but I don't think it does anybody any good whatsoever. I have yet to see a single rationalization otherwise.
Pot has been persecuted in the US for decades now. I think that once it gains legal acceptance, some reparations are in order here.
Agreed. (my first post was quite tongue-in-cheek)
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Though I totally agree with you, drugs are interesting because they have the ability to tranquilize people, in a sense.
Laws do exist to keep people in line in order to thwart violence in most forms, and it is that very dynamic which seems under attack by the advent of mass-produced substances. Man, as an animal, is pushy, belligerent and domineering, especially when empowered by his or her society - just as you said, stupid. But drugs can circumvent this; they can make a strong man weak and a weak man weaker - they make people both care and socialize less and less. In this sense, it seems to me that laws prohibiting said substances are not the same as any other law we create...
Perhaps it was certain substances that caused violence and desperation and our worst monkey nightmares to come alive in the first place though - likely the shortage of which that caused panic. And everything else is merely taboo by association.
Good points! You also have to wonder if there's some element of state-sponsored sanctionned use of substances too (if you read into the conspiracy theories). The US, UK and French governments used to be big into the opium trade. Then it became illegal. I have a hard time that they got out of the business entirely though.
Drugs can act as a wet blanket over certain elements of society, in order to keep them "down" etc (again, elements of conspiracy theory here).
