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Tips / Tools to make the low end shine? (pg. 2)
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| Stephen Wiley |
A friend sent me the Virus sounds. I don't know their exact origin (they were obviously ripped by somebody, but I don't know if it was a money type thing) - There are 119 different samples (not all bass, a bunch of random )
I have heard of Trilogy, but is it really worth the price tag? |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
I have heard of Trilogy, but is it really worth the price tag? |
Hands down, best VST for bass, and even better there a new one coming soon. |
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| Stephen Wiley |
| an update to trilogy or a better vst? |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
an update to trilogy or a better vst? |
Update to Trilogy.
It is going to be totally wicked ing awesome.
And if you buy Trilogy in 2009 you get the update for free. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
an update to trilogy or a better vst? |
Trilogy is a rompler like nexus but its dedicated to bass. Has sounds from all the popular synths juno, jupiter, virus, moog, odyssey, etc.
I can't really think of a single product that is as good for bass, unless you have a decent piece of hardware sitting around, which I don't. I'm gonna actually pm you a thought I just had. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Trilogy is a rompler like nexus but its dedicated to bass. Has sounds from all the popular synths juno, jupiter, virus, moog, odyssey, etc.
I can't really think of a single product that is as good for bass, unless you have a decent piece of hardware sitting around. |
To be honest, if you really want great bass, get something like a Moog.. the bass from it is so good that you barely have to do anything with the recorded audio, it just sits right in the mix.
Trilogy is the VST instrument that sounds the most like it, and other analog bass synthesizers. Highly recommend it. |
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| Stephen Wiley |
Neat.
So Trilogy + R-Bass = Top Shelf #1? |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
Neat.
So Trilogy + R-Bass = Top Shelf #1? |
By R-Bass, do you mean the Waves bass enhancement plugin? The Waves effects have pretty hefty price tags, what is your definition of "ridiculously priced", as you referred to in your original post? (By the way, the Waves plugins aren't ridiculously priced in my book, I bought the gold bundle, they're good solid audio processors. The more expensive bundles are a bit out of my price range though).
Reading your posts though, I kind of get the impression that you expect the tools/ sounds to do a good bit of the work for you. You can have the greatest sounds, samples, plugins in the world, but if you don't put them together correctly you can make them sound absolutely horrible. There is no "automatic Top Shelf #1".
Maybe you'll need to apply some EQ. Maybe not. Maybe you'll need to apply some compression. Maybe not. Maybe Trilogy will offer you a lot of bass sounds which fit your style. Maybe not.
Having great sounds/ instruments/ samples is vital, but it's only the very start of the process. You'll still need to know why exactly you're applying R-Bass, why certain sounds fit together and other sounds don't (even though the sounds individually are fantastic). Get some great tools and spend a heap of time in the studio, learning how to get your low end to come through the way you want it. |
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| Theran |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
ill check out izotope vinyl.
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The Izotope vinyl plugin, has no use regarding bass. It just simulates a 'vinyl' effect.
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
Neat.
So Trilogy + R-Bass = Top Shelf #1? |
Trilogy alone is enough. If you put a R-Bass on top of it, you will get a much to heavy bass.
Just learn to layer your basslines and EQ them the right way. There are no such things as 'the best' plugin regarding bass. Many ways lead to Rome, you just have to pick the right road.
In regard to advice, I usually take the Trilogy 'Deeeeeeeeeeep' preset, and cutoff the high frequencies (>150Hz), this will create a nice subbass (I usually play the subbass -1 octave). Pull the attack up a little so it doesn't click that much and make sure, this subbass isn't playing at the same time as the kick and maybe route it to a SC compressor, just to make sure it has no conflicts with the kick. Most important, keep you subbass MONO en in the middle!!!
If you do this right, there is no need for bass enhancement or that kind of stuff, it will only creates a too heavy low-end, and you don't want that.
On top of that, you can create other types of basslines. Make sure they are cutoff below 150Hz.
Also a little tip to create a tight low-end, is tune the kick to the subbass, although this depends on the kick that you are using. I do it most of the times now, and it just sounds better. |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Its all about the source of the sound.
With a good source of bass sound you don`t really have to do much with it at all. |
100% agreed. I hate highpassing most of the sounds as it makes a mix sound very flat quite easily. My tip would be taking the time to find sounds that work well together with very little processing. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
100% agreed. I hate highpassing most of the sounds as it makes a mix sound very flat quite easily. My tip would be taking the time to find sounds that work well together with very little processing. |
Thats a good point that I've noticed as I've started high passing more. But I think highpassing can work on some of the more incidental sounds... Just need to be careful.
In terms of polishing bass stephen, you need to learn to program it. Using virus soundfonts is not on, it won't give the flexibility or sound quality you need.
What you need to get your bass sounding good:
Good filters
Good synth or two (need good oscillators for bass as the raw sound can't be disguised with effects)
Good idea of where the levels should be.
Some idea of what sub bass will sound like on a big system. |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
100% agreed. I hate highpassing most of the sounds as it makes a mix sound very flat quite easily. My tip would be taking the time to find sounds that work well together with very little processing. |
ditto. no need to force things to work, just find a better source |
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