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Fun Under Seige: Nightlife and street parties in SF face official crackdowns (pg. 2)
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| DaveT |
I remember back int he day you could just go out of bar at 2am in SOMA, just look around to see where people are walking, notice a bunch are going to some general area, follow them, and end up at some afterhorus underground whether in a commercial building or some huge ass apartment off one of the main streets that's completely sound proof and going off.
The good ole days. :p |
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| DaveT |
| quote: | Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
broski... not trying to be a hater, but SF is known for there undergrounds/afterhours.
I remember talking to Nick Warren and asking his opinion of SF. he says he enjoys playing there (at a club) but preferably enjoys hanging out (this was back in the cuz he's an old fart now) at the afterhour spots (underground ones in particular). |
Seriously!! Has anyone not seen Groove (I am sure 99% of you have lol)??? The climax of that movie was when Digweed showed up to play at the underground party...in SF!!
lol, actually a pretty cheesy movie but it's still rad because it's in SF!
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| R!CH |
| the only reason undergrounds are illegal is because incompetent club owners feel threatened by their inability to draw up equally appealing party concepts and they want to run their competition out of town on the basis on licensing. whatever other reason given is impertinent. nothing bad ever happens at underground parties. no fights, no stabbings, no shootings, no drugging, no drunk drivers, no drug-induced medical emergencies. you can't even begin to say the same thing about the clubs. just last sunday 3 people were stabbed at the endup. the underground crowd is naturally more mature than the club crowd. people act responsibly enough that they don't need the rules. or bouncers. the exception to that is insomnia, which is run like a club and, well, deserves to be hemmed. it still pisses me off to no end that the body shoppe was shut down for good. one of the best spaces for a party in all of sf. |
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| rizo |
| last two fridays have been smooth so far for a certain venue and hope it stays like that *crosses fingers* :happy2: |
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| bigperf |
ok well underground parties are illegal therefore they are being shut down. makes perfect sense.
if these locations do what is required of them to be "legal" then they should not expect any problems. and if they are still getting the shaft, then its time to revolt.
drugs are illegal too and last year at the cow palace during the etd pop the cops took them from you and took you to jail.
if you illegally immigrate to the US, ICE has the authority to deport you. Dont want to ever be deported? Easy, come to the US legally!
it's not like the afterhour underground parties are being targeted because they are run by black people and that is the reason for the shut downs(that would be racist!)
if things are done by the book, i think of any city in the US, SF would be the one where the cops would be cool and not try to nitpick to look for something to give them due reason to shut things down. |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by bigperf
ok well underground parties are illegal therefore they are being shut down. makes perfect sense.
if these locations do what is required of them to be "legal" then they should not expect any problems. and if they are still getting the shaft, then its time to revolt.
drugs are illegal too and last year at the cow palace during the etd pop the cops took them from you and took you to jail.
if you illegally immigrate to the US, ICE has the authority to deport you. Dont want to ever be deported? Easy, come to the US legally!
it's not like the afterhour underground parties are being targeted because they are run by black people and that is the reason for the shut downs(that would be racist!)
if things are done by the book, i think of any city in the US, SF would be the one where the cops would be cool and not try to nitpick to look for something to give them due reason to shut things down. |
+100
As much as I prefer underground events to club nights, many of the attendees are there because they can drink all night and they can partake in illicit drug use without the threat of being busted by security. That's why those events are being busted: for illegal activities. This isn't a case of "The Man" getting all up in yo . It's simply a case of the law being enforced. Don't like it? Petition/picket/protest/other "P" words. |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brian Scott
+100
As much as I prefer underground events to club nights, many of the attendees are there because they can drink all night and they can partake in illicit drug use without the threat of being busted by security. That's why they're being busted: for illegal activites. This isn't a case of "The Man" getting all up in yo . It's simply a case of the law being enforced. Don't like it? Petition/picket/protest/other "P" words. |
you tool |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
you tool |
Go Warriors!
(douchebag) |
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| diskodave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brian Scott
+100
As much as I prefer underground events to club nights, many of the attendees are there because they can drink all night and they can partake in illicit drug use without the threat of being busted by security. That's why those events are being busted: for illegal activities. This isn't a case of "The Man" getting all up in yo . It's simply a case of the law being enforced. Don't like it? Petition/picket/protest/other "P" words. |
People take drugs just as much, if not more at public night clubs.
It all comes down to which club owners have it made with city officials/police dept. I know of a few clubs here in SF that have good ties with the authorities, and ironically those clubs are NEVER hassled by the cops. And yes, those clubs DO have illegal drug activity just like the others.
It's funny DaveT mentions that the police always crack down when the economy is in a slump... well, that goes along with my point. Clubs feel the recession just like any other business. Consumers cut back their spending, as a result, they go out fewer nights and penny-pinch at the bar. In return, club owners begin to see their profits diminish... and the owners with political/law enforcement connections tend to use that powerhouse to bully/remove their competitors. This happens in every major city. |
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| alan |
as I always say...Live and Let Live...
there is a crowd for underground, there is a crowd for clubs... |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brian Scott
Go Warriors!
(douchebag) |
Go Fakers
(Gay) |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brian Scott
+100
As much as I prefer underground events to club nights, many of the attendees are there because they can drink all night and they can partake in illicit drug use without the threat of being busted by security. That's why those events are being busted: for illegal activities. This isn't a case of "The Man" getting all up in yo . It's simply a case of the law being enforced. Don't like it? Petition/picket/protest/other "P" words. |
you both fail to grasp the concept of underground parties and the dimension they add to the local scene. first there are afterhours parties where people go every weekend to get more tossed and listen to mainstream house after last call. they are run like clubs; open every weekend on a fixed schedule at a fixed location and all the same rules apply. these are places like insomnia. i have no problem with cops busting the insomnias because they are organized for nothing more than money, arguably by people who do nothing to push the scene forward. the techno undergrounds being targeted here are irregular one-off party concepts featuring breakthrough touring djs from around the world. they showcase edgy underground music that fits best in these small, intimate formats and host a night-and-day different crowd. alcohol is served because every party in the universe has alcohol, but you find that organizers are just out to cover their costs for bring in the talent and renting the space and patrons aren't there to get plastered. nobody goes there just to get more drunk. now that we have that cleared...
have either of you police-state fascism apologists asked yourselves why it's considered illegal for someone other than a club owner to hire djs and have a party to enjoy great music with friends on private property? is it because undergrounds are a threat to the public or because they are a threat to established business interests lobbying the reactionary political body?
furthermore you should ask yourself why your own moral compass--your sense of right and wrong--is dictated and bound by rules and laws rather than a more universal and consistent morality based upon social contracts? what is illegal isn't always wrong and what is legal isn't always right. it's very one-dimensional of you to make such arguments. right and wrong should be based upon social contracts--mutual agreement between all parties involved. no one at an underground party is being harmed or is there against their will, so ask yourself again: why is it wrong? |
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