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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
i do plan on reading it - going to check it out from the university library tomorrow.
look, i don't agree with people using baffling occurrences as proof of ANYTHING. I am quite a skeptic myself. However, I happen to also be skeptical of the ultimate reality of the material world. |
I'm not sure why you're so keen to push that skepticism. I wasn't replying to you or directing my first post at you in any way whatsoever. It was mainly directed to Nukleuz, who seemed to have been a bit spooked by what this clairvoyant seemed to know. It's a trick called cold reading, which Derren Brown can do and which he details somewhat in the book.
| quote: | | I wish you'd stop using the word 'spiritual' like this. I personally only use the word to mean something like 'undiscovered science'. I believe everything can and will be understood as a scientific phenomenon - eventually, though it may require the suspension of certain crystallized beliefs. |
Again, I'm not really concerned with your views. When I said "your perspective on spirituality", that included your distaste for the term. I'm not pushing materialism-as-truth in any way, and you seem to be quite insecure over the issue to assume I am.
For what it's worth I'm agnostic, and I strongly believe that assuming observable reality to be a totality is hubris. But I'm also a realist and I take what's available to me, which is observable reality. I don't think it's a complete view of reality, but neither do I use its limitations to begin inventing "undiscovered science" frameworks that are based entirely on inductive reasoning.
With that said, I don't want to argue with you at all. If you want to introduce hypothetical frameworks, good for you. I was never addressing you or your beliefs in this thread. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
With that said, I don't want to argue with you at all. If you want to introduce hypothetical frameworks, good for you. I was never addressing you or your beliefs in this thread. |
:haha: ok
i assumed you were addressing me because i was quoted
deductive reasoning |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
:haha: ok
i assumed you were addressing me because i was quoted |
Erm... I count seven posts between my original post and the last time you either posted or were quoted. You quoted me before I quoted you. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Erm... I count seven posts between my original post and the last time you either posted or were quoted. You quoted me before I quoted you. |
check out post #9723129
maybe you quoted the wrong person? |
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| SuspicionVandit |
| I don't know if this counts, but my parents brought in a priest to rid me of voices and hallucinations I was experiencing when I was a teenager. They thought I was possessed. I've heard voices all my life, although they've never been as violent as when I was a teenager and I don't remember if the priest was the turning point. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
check out post #9723129
maybe you quoted the wrong person? |
Your homework subject for this weekend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatics. Think about it next time you try and play pedant with my wording. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
you're a true . |
Actually I am a human being, and referring to me as an is incorrect. Ergo, your point is invalid.
/Pedantry. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I wish you'd stop using the word 'spiritual' like this. I personally only use the word to mean something like 'undiscovered science'. I believe everything can and will be understood as a scientific phenomenon - eventually, though it may require the suspension of certain crystallized beliefs.
I think that any theory or spiritual framework can only ever be an approximation or metaphor for the absolute truth of reality. |
I think what he is saying, and please correct me if I'm wrong here system-j, is that these phenomena are completely explainable by the current body of scientific knowledge that has already been discovered. There is therefore no reason to resort to a spiritual framework of as yet undiscovered scientific principles to explain them. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
you're a true . |
is he a true or just an approximation/metaphor ?? |
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| nchs09 |
| lol @system j.... funny. |
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| Terrence Parker |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
fascinating - thanks for the link!
what a time we live in |
Yeah exciting time, check out the stuff from Nassim Haramein, he has done some very interesting research.
You will find some of his lectures on youtube or go to theresonanceproject.org |
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