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Mid-Side Coding... What?
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| cristianokeller |
Hey people, look at this: http://www.voxengo.com/product/stereotouch/
Can someone please explain better what is mid-side coding and if this thecnique is usefull for trance...
When to apply?
Maybe this is useful for the main lead that comes from a mono source (such as my JP8k) sounds in face? |
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| Theran |
With Mid-Side mixing, you convert a mono signal into a Mid & Side signal. Comparing this to stereo, where you have a left and a right, Mid is in the middle, and side on the sides (left and right) as you can see in the image below.
What does mid-side mixing do?
Mid side mixing is a technique to widen sounds across the stereo field. It can basicly create a 'in your face' sound.
The big advantage of M/S mixing, is that there is mono compatibility. If you play a track with a bass that has been treated with M/S mixing, while in stereo sounding huge, in mono the Side signals will phase eachother out, keeping the Mid signal intact.
M/S mixing originated as a microphone technique. Do keep in mind when using M/S mixing, that you will have to use a mono signal to do so.
Listen to some Duderstadt tracks, they use it a lot for their basses. |
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| cristianokeller |
Duderstadt uses in low basses? Under 150 Hz?
So this is advantage also to use in main lead? |
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| Theran |
| quote: | Originally posted by cristianokeller
Duderstadt uses in low basses? Under 150 Hz?
So this is advantage also to use in main lead? |
NO no no no ;), always keep your lower frequencies in the middle. Below 150Hz everything should be panned dead centre.
You can use it on anything (sound related ofcourse ;), but you need a mono signal to do this! |
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| Storyteller |
untrue. A mono signal is of no use with mid-side mixing.
Mid is everything in the center, side is stereo information. With mid/side mixing you're able to process the mid and the side seperately to enhance/process the stereo image.
If you convert the side signal to mono you will have silence, thus a mono sound cannot have the side part. |
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| cristianokeller |
Storyteller, this is what Theran says...
:p
There's a middle (mono) ever intact, the stereo information is extracted from this middle, a copy for L and R... If mixed to mono they will collide resulting in a phase shock and only the middle will play... right Theran? But why they will collide? the phase of L or R must be inverted?
can't understand this point...
stereo image drives me crazy
I think I saw this thechnique in Duderstadt vs Storen N Forward - Broken, the second bass is very wide and in face.. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Mid-side involves two mics. Two different sound sources. Both of the mics are initially recorded mono, but the "side" mic recording is converted into stereo and then mixed together with the mono "mid" recording. The relative levels of the two mics determine how wide or narrow the stereo field will be -- higher mid level = narrow stereo field.
http://www.wikirecording.org/Mid-Si...phone_Technique |
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| thecYrus |
Side = Left Stereo Field + (-1 * Right Stereo Field)
Mid = (Left Stereo Field + Right Stereo Field) / 2 - Side |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by cristianokeller
Storyteller, this is what Theran says...
:p
There's a middle (mono) ever intact, the stereo information is extracted from this middle, a copy for L and R... If mixed to mono they will collide resulting in a phase shock and only the middle will play... right Theran? But why they will collide? the phase of L or R must be inverted?
can't understand this point...
stereo image drives me crazy
I think I saw this thechnique in Duderstadt vs Storen N Forward - Broken, the second bass is very wide and in face.. |
Ah yes I see now. I was talking about Voxengo MSED, which is about the same principle with a different approach. That particular plugin can only be used on stereo signals though. Otherwise it has no effect on the stereo image.
I don't know how I got to MSED instead of stereotouch :crazy: |
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