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(near) perfect pitch and EDM?
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| JmanNZ |
I have basically been ignoring music theory beyond scales and perfect intervals, as the kind of trance I get into doesnt really have much melodic content and I have no music history so it's all a bit overwhelming (I have made entire tracks with percussion and C3 only!). Anyway, I have been thinking about a vocal track, and I can imagine the vocal melody but can't convert it into notes. So I got onto google and found this perfect pitch ear training course which basically explains that perfect pitch is like hearing colours and that canyone can learn it (like how we learnt how to tell the difference between yellow and orange, we can learn the difference between Eb and F#, without needing a reference). Sounds great!
However, I think it is quite specific for an instrument, and given that synthetic sounds have infinite timbral variation would it even be possible to apply this to EDM? bit of an overkill just to help with writing vocal melody me thinks.
I was wondering what more seasoned producers thought about all this. No doubt if you are a pianist or guitarist this skill would be involuable, but for EDM??? |
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| Subtle |
Yeah definitely a skill to have.
Relative pitch and perfect pitch is a must to have for anyone doing music, and of course the ability to perform.
Its recommended that you take the Relative pitch course before the Perfect pitch one, it is still discussed though wether perfect pitch is obtainable or born quality, relative pitch however is obtainable for anyone for sure.
By all means though, you don need either to make cool music. :) |
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| Lolo |
perfect pitch can be a pain at times. When working on slightly out of tune vocal parts of a track that you have to remix, for example, because you're not sure that fixing it is what those people want. It's also truly annoying when working on your own vocals because you're NEVER satisfied with what you've done and you end up doing 5 times as many takes.
It's reeaaaally useful when someone sends you audio parts, and that you can send back midi of that within 2 hours.
And it can be funny too. When metallic objects fall on the ground, you can tell which key they produce, assuming that they produce a key, of course. |
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| Subtle |
Sounds really fun.
Hmm.. i wonder if its really possible to obtain, for the regular Joe like me. |
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| JmanNZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
When metallic objects fall on the ground, you can tell which key they produce |
that's cool, suggests that its not that specific for a timbre then. So can you tell the pitch of different synthetic tones?
And yea, apparently anyone can get it |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Sounds really fun.
Hmm.. i wonder if its really possible to obtain, for the regular Joe like me. |
There's apparently a method, but I don't know it at all. I was 6 when I started playing melodies from the radio by ear on that small keyboard, it took me almost 9 years to get my hands on a synth ever after. I still have the vl-tone that I got when I was 6. I love that thing. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by JmanNZ
And yea, apparently anyone can get it |
Yeah according to David Lucas Burge yes, but if you browse around a bit there is huge sceptisim if it is actually possible for anyone using that method.
I think its reasonable to say that it can be obtained, but would require a huge huge effort, and pherhaps some other attributes as well. |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by JmanNZ
that's cool, suggests that its not that specific for a timbre then. So can you tell the pitch of different synthetic tones?
And yea, apparently anyone can get it |
not in Hertz but in note values. As stated in my previous post, there's a method, and it looks like it DOES work. |
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| JmanNZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
I think its reasonable to say that it can be obtained, but would require a huge huge effort, and pherhaps some other attributes as well. |
Yea, I believe this, I can't imagine its an easy accomplishment. I would prob be better to focus what limited production time I have on general skills instead, like synth programming and arrangement flow etc... |
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| Beatflux |
Spare yourself the $130 and just forget about it. I've looked into it, and unless it's developed at an early age you aren't going to get it when you're older.
Burge's method claims a 97% rate which is contrary to the feedback on a couple of forums and the amazon reviews.
If there was something that actually could develop perfect pitch in all adults, I would be charging more than a meager 130 dollars. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Spare yourself the $130 and just forget about it. I've looked into it, and unless it's developed at an early age you aren't going to get it when you're older.
Burge's method claims a 97% rate which is contrary to the feedback on a couple of forums and the amazon reviews.
If there was something that actually could develop perfect pitch in all adults, I would be charging more than a meager 130 dollars. |
I have read this too, so im also sceptical to wether it really works or not.
One could say however that those who did not make it didnt do the exercises thoroughly enough.
Ive been through some of his material and it seems plausible that it could actually work, if the instructions, exercises are properly followed and more.
There are actually reports that it has worked for some people as well, so who knows for sure ? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
You either have it early or you never have it.
As far as I know the "courses" are really just developing an extended form of relative pitch, and once you stop using them the ability goes away. |
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