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Slayings in TJ (pg. 3)
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by shuni
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if your getting that from TJ, then thats a human torso. gotta get rid of evidence somehow. |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by shuni
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the mules fingers being cooked up. |
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| revitalizedbeat |
| quote: | Originally posted by CND
I love the restaurants in TJ but recently many have opened counterparts here in the US, primarily in Chula Vista ie Mariscos Negro Durazo, Los Arcos, Tacos El Gordo, Carnitas Uruapan & Aqui es Texcoco. |
*sigh* i miss chula vista. good thing im going there next weekend |
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| bigperf |
| quote: | Originally posted by revitalizedbeat
*sigh* i miss chula vista. good thing im going there next weekend |
i think thats the first time ive seen or heard anyone say that!:haha: |
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| mattW |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090516...ans_slain/print
Killings of 4 Americans in Tijuana sow fear
By GUILLERMO ARIAS and AMY TAXIN, Associated Press Writers Guillermo Arias And Amy Taxin, Associated Press Writers 21 mins ago
TIJUANA, Mexico – The slayings of four young Americans in Tijuana sowed fear in Southern California on Friday as Mexican prosecutors tried to determine whether the youths were involved in the country's violent drug trade or innocent victims of a brutal crime.
The victims, two men and two women in their teens and early 20s, said they were headed for a night of partying across the border only to be found strangled, stabbed and beaten a few days later.
Mexican officials are investigating whether any of the four San Diego-area victims had ties to the drug trade, after a toxicology report tested positive for cocaine on the body of Brianna Hernandez, who was either 18 or 19.
Another victim, Oscar Jorge Garcia, 23, was apprehended in the San Diego area in January 2008 with six illegal immigrants in the car, but never charged in the case, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Lauren Mack said.
The parents of 20-year-old victim Carmen Jimena Ramos Chavez on Friday described a vibrant Chula Vista High graduate who worked at an amusement park for children and planned to become a hair stylist.
"She was a happy girl, with a desire to explore the world," said her father, Rogelio Ramos Camano, of Chula Vista. "Young people are like that. They think nothing will happen. I was like that, too."
Mexican prosecutors said the victims had been bound and tortured — common tactics by Mexican drug gangs — before being left in a van in a dusty slum on the outskirts of Tijuana.
Jose Manuel Yepiz, a spokesman for the Baja California state prosecutor's office, said investigators were examining a threatening letter to one of the victims from a jail inmate in San Diego.
Prosecutors said they had ruled out the possibility that the killings were a case of drug gangs targeting tourists.
Tijuana, which sits across the border from San Diego, has a reputation as one of Mexico's most violent border cities. Authorities said 843 people were slain there in 2008, many in drug-related violence.
Since taking office in December 2006, President Felipe Calderon has sent more than 45,000 soldiers to combat drug cartels in the country whose turf battles have killed more than 10,750 people over the last two-and-a-half years.
Violence had diminished in Tijuana in recent months, only to pick up a few weeks ago with seven police officers killed in brazen attacks on one day.
Victor Clark, a professor at San Diego State University's Center for Latin American Studies, said criminal ties with any one of the Americans could have spelled disaster for the group.
"Maybe they broke the rules, which means death" when dealing with Mexico's drug cartels, said Clark, a Tijuana resident and native. "And they dragged their friends down with them."
Relatives said the victims were familiar with both sides of the border and navigating the area's bilingual culture — but may have taken their safety for granted.
Ramos said he had often told his daughter, who was born in Tijuana but raised from a young age in the U.S., that Tijuana was too dangerous, and she assured him she was always careful.
But Ramos said he didn't offer any warnings as his daughter got ready ready to go out with her friend Brianna on May 7, even as he watched a news program about killings in Tijuana on Mexican television.
"I think God put that out there so I would do something, but I didn't dare," he said in Spanish, shaking his head, recalling how they were already primped and ready to go.
U.S. tourists, already warned by the U.S. State Department to be cautious in Mexico because foreign bystanders have been killed, now appear even less likely to visit once-popular destinations like Tijuana.
"I'm not going to T.J. unless it's absolutely necessary," Amelia Lopez, a friend of a victim told television station San Diego 6. "Before, you know, you go to eat or have a good time or shopping. Nothing like that."
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Arias reported from Tijuana and Taxin from Chula Vista, Calif. Associated Press Writer Solvej Schou in Los Angeles contributed to this report. |
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| revitalizedbeat |
| quote: | Originally posted by bigperf
i think thats the first time ive seen or heard anyone say that!:haha: |
yeah im not liking living in l.a at all :( |
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| mattW |
...the party is over...
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| bigperf |
| quote: | Originally posted by revitalizedbeat
yeah im not liking living in l.a at all :( |
THAT now, i have heard a lOT! luckily you are close to home. |
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| Nerologic |
| quote: | Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
yeah... i don't think they were too innocent either. but how involved were they? did they get caught up in stuff that got out of control (obviously they did)? i'd like to hear how this story unfolds. |
1 of the 4 was VERY connected, it was one of the guys. Not many news articles are mentioning that but one guy had VERY close ties, one of the girls also had ties. So i mean if you put 2 and 2 together, all 4 of them had something to do with it.
| quote: | Originally posted by bigperf
figured it was family, how are they doing down there, have they had to witness the violence first hand? I would think this mess is going to get worse before it gets better...
what about your doc, I would think less americans would be heading down to save money due to the risk of having to venture to TJ. |
The dentist was the one who told me that since October everything had drastically slowed down. He still has a lot of regular clients, but he is not over booked like he was all last year. That place was usually EXTREMELY busy with like 4 people waiting in the wait room pretty much all day long. Well when i went no one was there, someone got there as we were leaving but thats it.
As far as family, they are kind of out in an area call "La Mesa" which is kind of far from downtown TJ and not near the outskirts. So nothing really goes down there, just theft has gone up. They have a "raspados (flavored ice)" stand on the side of their house and its been broken into countless times just recently. But other then that they are pretty much the same.
My buddy that lives in Playas is in a secluded gated community, so nothing goes down there. The area isn't so populated because a lot of houses are half built, making it a pretty dead area. There is a guard at the bottom of the community at the gate, so that slightly helps i guess.
Who has seen and herd stuff go down is my buddies brother that lives in Rosarito. He lives pretty much in downtown Rosarito. He works as a graveyard security guard at a church. He said that one day he was driving home from work around 8am. Took a shower and was just getting into bed at around 9-10am and then ratatatatatatatatatatatatatatat. And a car hauls ass, then cops sirens and everything a few minutes later. It was some older guy that he would always see jogging in the morning, they just sprayed him with bullets from a machine gun.
The next one was by where he works late at night. He said it was around 3-4 in the AM and all of a sudden VERY close by he hears bang bang bang bang bang. Like 6-7 guy shots from a hand gun. So he was just tripping out, and was just waiting for the police sirens. 2 mintues 5 minutes 10 minutes, nothing. So he was really sketched out that the police never came, they usually show up immediately after. But this time no one showed up. 2 days later they found 4 dead bodies in a trunk of a parked car.
So he has witnessed it first hand...
| quote: | Originally posted by JSmooth619
No, I also head down to the orthodontist in TJ. Like 99% of San Diegans, dentistry here in the U.S. is crazy expensive. |
Agreed!
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| quote: | Originally posted by CND
I love the restaurants in TJ but recently many have opened counterparts here in the US, primarily in Chula Vista ie Mariscos Negro Durazo, Los Arcos, Tacos El Gordo, Carnitas Uruapan & Aqui es Texcoco. |
When i was down there on thurs i went to Carnitas Uruapan and Negro Durazno. :)
And when we went to see Markus Shultz down there we went to Tacos el Gordo after the show. Greg and Michell weren't down with the tacos though hahah |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
if your getting that from TJ, then thats a human torso. gotta get rid of evidence somehow. |
mmm mule... extra tender because they bleed them dry before tenderizing |
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